Nope. The thing is though if we win our next two we would be in a very good position. This is why I don't think we should sack him. We are not going to get the type of caoch we want half way through a season. Let Agar see the season out but don't look to renew his contract and start looking now for next season.

Agar is not a bad coach I just don't think he is capable of developing players and moving on to the next level.

My frustration is the type of rugby Agar prefares..

Five drives and a kick..we have some ball handlers now..Long, Tansey and Horne, yet he still thinks driving the pack down the middle will win games, unless he becomes more expansive we will suffer as the pitches dry out, this was very apparent ot Salford. Good teams will just tire us out and ship out, even I know that and I am a girl

I understand the frustration and boy did I feel frustrated on Saturday but I don't agree with all of your analysis.:
1. Our results are better than last years over all so far this year (team versus team).
2. There is real structure to our attack - the try that Lyne scored was from a very structured attack, the try that Hall scored from the scrum was a planned move, the try that Tansey scored against Bradford before half-time was well-rehed and well executed (there are other examples). Last year we would have probably squandered the opportunity in all examples (the Lyne try would never even have been on the cards). What was missing on Saturday was patience - we rarely gave ourselves the field position we needed to mount serious attacks on the line. When we did we scored (e.g. the Lyne try).
3. I think our pack have plenty of mobility and pace including both O'Meley and Moa who have pace in the front row.
4. The key thing is that it is still a very new team who need time to gel around our half-back pairing and, yet again, our two first choice half-backs have hardly ever taken the field together. Here is where one of our main problems is imo.
5. Another main fault that I see is the defence. If we want to play free-flowing rugby we are likely to spill the ball a lot and, therefore, must be able to back it up with powerful, dominating and steadfast defence.
6. Finally, these fantastic Aussie coaches: do we really, as fans, want to watch Huddersfield/Wigan-esque spoiling tactics every week or do we want the free-flowing style that people so often extol the virtues of on here? As for Huddersfield and Wigan etc - let's wait until they win something with their fantastic coaches. It is only a quarter of the way through the season and, as we all know, the only constant is change. For example, look at the different interpretation at the play-the-ball over the weekend. The referees could completely mess up Wigan and Huddersfield's most potent weapon in one fell swoop by changing their outlook.
7. I am still not convinced about Agar but I think it's too early to get over-excited. There are other teams (and coaches) doing a lot worse than Hull. ( 6 wasn't "finally" after all)

I don't think it's so much about points as who we've lost to and the way we're playing.

If we'd lost at saints and home to hudds but won at crusaders and salford and at least put in a decent performance at wigan we'd all be much happier. As it is our 2 best performances are a distant memory and it's looking like 2009 all over again.

At least in 2009 we had massive injury problems and a team who were out on the pish every night

Yes I understand that but nonetheless were we to beat KR away and Wire at home it would likely mean we had played well in both games and therefore previous form could be put down to blips etc. 14 points from 20 wouldn't be sackable form even if the make up of those 14 points was not what anyone expected.

I am not confident of victory in either game TBH and 2 more defeats should see the end of his tenure. As you rightly say we have put in some poor performances as well as some good ones this season and the key thing would be to see some improvement in performance. At the minute we appear to be going backwards and if that continues in the next 2 games then Rich.

It's simple for me, leave Agar and his team in charge for the season but start looking and sounding people out now for next season. Sacking Agar now would mean we are left with Moore in charge and should he does reasonably well we will then end up keeping him. That would be wrong as I think we need a clean sweep. Promoting assistants is not the way.

Very sensible imo - if he proves people wrong by success on the field (top 4 finsish and a final appearance) then keep him - if not, we have time to look for a quality replacement.... although where do you find one?

Probably a sign that the initial euphoria is gone and a team of seasoned players have suddenly realised their coach doesn't know what he's doing

Satrurday was a prime example of poor motivation and lack of direction on the pitch

Lots of candidates in Australia, I am not saying every coach over there is a good one but we are a big club and should be able to attract a top coach.

The right appointment now cos push on to new heights and turn us into a major force, or we do it on the cheap and carry on as we are.

If we'd done the right thing in 2004 and appointed a top class coach instead of kear then IMO we'd have won the SL title by now. Even kear won the CC and sharp got us to a final with the remnants of mcrae's team so think what a top caoch could have achieved

It's now Monday Jake, and you are still whinging ??

See the problem for me is that 2 wins disguises the fact that Agar is clueless. I got shot down on here last season when i suggested he should be sacked because i'm concerned more about the manner of our performances than the wins/losses.

I was then willing to give him benefit of doubt this year but we've only actually put in a good performance in 1 game this year v Saints.

Will his tactics (or lack of) and his favouritism to some players i cant see us getting anywhere with him in charge.