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Quote: HFC Boy "RL in Wales professionally will never work .'"

People actually working within the RL structure there beg to differ. But I guess you know better.

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Quote: WormInHand "Crowds were awful, apart from when good Away support followed such as ours. There's also enough interest to run championship sides in Halifax, Sheffield, Dewsbury et al but that doesn't make them immediate SL material.'"

Crowds were decent compared to some other more established sides, given that they barely won a game all year and were owned by someone who had already pi$$ed off most of the ptential fan base before he even got involved with Crusaders. The potential is there if someone can make a better than half-d attempt to exploit it.

Quote: WormInHand "I'd also be interested in how much cash has been poured into Wales over the last couple of years and what the return has been. I assume you have those figures to hand? icon_lol.gif )

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Quote: WormInHand " But I think the sport at this time cannot afford to have another 20 years of "establishment" .'"


So because London took 20 years, Wales will as well? What evidence is there to support that exactly?

Done correctly and imo it would take a season or two. If it carries on been run like it is currently and it will absolutely fail, never mind take 20 years imo.

Again, its simply about how its done, as per my previous post.

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Quote: Bal "So because London took 20 years, Wales will as well? What evidence is there to support that exactly?

Done correctly and imo it would take a season or two. If it carries on been run like it is currently and it will absolutely fail, never mind take 20 years imo.

Again, its simply about how its done, as per my previous post.'"


What evidence is there to say it won't? Do you think the RFL will learn from the London mistakes? And why is everyone so convinced that it MUST be Wales? I'm not anti-Wales and am certainly for expansion. So I really am happy to be convinced that this will work there and quickly.

But let's face it, the only expansion success has been Catalans - all credit to them and not the RFL. Surely THAT'S the model we should look to be repeating?

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Quote: WormInHand "Home crowds were comparable in their paucity only with Harlequins, the other British expansion project. Quins still aren't pulling them in after 20 odd years but at least the profile of RL is at an all time high in London schools and is the fastest growing sport down there. It's taken a hell of a long time, though.'"

They weren't far behind Salford either, for what that's worth. And given their diabolical performances all season I don't think that's as bad as all that. Significantly higher than any of the Championship sides BTW.

And the profile of RL in the area is on a similar trajectory as in London (still a long way behind of course). Which is why it's such a farce that it's even being considered that they move to Wrexham.

Quote: WormInHand "I don't know the history of Samuel and friends - what did he do to so pi$$ off the Welsh? Genuine question.'"

Basically screwed over two RU clubs and a soccer club in similar fashion to what he did at Celtic. The RFL should never have got involved with him IMO.

Quote: WormInHand "You're right.

And neither did I.'"

You made a claim that lots of money had been spent. Just because you didn't put an actual figure on it doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to justify such a claim when challenged.

Quote: WormInHand "Not really. The general consensus of opinion that is acknowledged to be true. '"

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Sorry - I didn't see this until I'd finished. icon_smile.gif

Next time I'll try a single block reply. Promise.

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Quote: WormInHand "What evidence is there to say it won't? Do you think the RFL will learn from the London mistakes? And why is everyone so convinced that it MUST be Wales? I'm not anti-Wales and am certainly for expansion. So I really am happy to be convinced that this will work there and quickly.

But let's face it, the only expansion success has been Catalans - all credit to them and not the RFL. Surely THAT'S the model we should look to be repeating?'"

The problem is that Catalan isn't really expansion at all. RL was already established in the region - the SL side just tapped into that ready-made pool of support and players. The only other place where similar conditions apply is Tolouse, and they're already in the programme.

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The dreaded "M" word may rear its head again from the RFL .
Remember at the inception of SL the RFL wanted Clubs to merge . Hull and Rovers , Cas ,Fev and Wakey . Hudds and Halifax etc .... That may now be for some less wealthy SL Clubs the only option?

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That will be the same Catalans who had to have their Sky money for the next season while they were still taking part in the current one and the same Harlequins who were allowed to welch on all their debts and re-start with a clean financial sheet then? Thats what I call expansion!

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Quote: stormfan "That will be the same Catalans who had to have their Sky money for the next season while they were still taking part in the current one and the same Harlequins who were allowed to welch on all their debts and re-start with a clean financial sheet then? Thats what I call expansion!'"


You do remember FC also took their Sky monies early?

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Quote: Standee "You do remember FC also took their Sky monies early?'"


A few did this year but not when they were still "in-season"!!!

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Quote: Standee "rlI'd be furious if were a Widnes/Leigh/Halifax fanrl'"


Thought you already answered this before? icon_lol.gif

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