Fair points but going to be another big player turnaround at the end of 2010 if the likes of Raynor, King, Radford, Fitzgibbon, Cussack and Berrigan are all shown the door at the same time.

And possibly the coach as well.

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation to be in, but the fact is that we had little choice given where our crap recruitment and retention over the last few seasons has put us.

The plus side is that if Agar bombs next season and gets the bullet, any incoming coach is going to have plenty of flexibility in terms of squad building.

totally agree. at least if agar goes early in the season in 2010 then the successor can't really complain. the 30+ yr olds we have signed who are nearing retirement will be on big money so whoever does take over agar will have our current youth + loads of spare cash

Wouldnt say a quick fix is what weve done mate. We've brought some experienced players in to balance the squad for the next few years after probably having a squad that was a bit too young and inexperienced in key positions in previous years.

Really? In what areas do you think you have lacked experience?

We've had no scrum half. We've lacked big name big reputation forwards. We've lacked leaders on the pitch which comes with bringing in experienced internationals.

We've also underperformed in a variety of other positions too.

Its funny cos people praise us for having loads of Hull born players in our 17 but to a large extend that has hindered us too. We'll have the balance next year.

So your squad hasnt been too young and inexperienced then....?

Thorman has bags of experience

Centre, Scrum half, prop, and you could argue second row and fullback.

In what way do you think Hull have given little thought to subsequent years out of interest?