Absolutely spot on. Whether you like agar or not he should have got better performances out of the players we have and he should have set them out with better tactics etc. If as he has said they dont play to these tactics he has shown weakness by not dropping them. Simple.

The guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't...i can imagine the uproar if he started dropping senior players for not adhering to his instructions. We just aren't good enough, end off. Put the first 5 games down to catching teams cold.

Think fans would respect him more for dropping senior players and telling us why. Its better than telling us they will be dropped and then not doing it. He lost all respect he had left at that point. Agree about the first 5 games by the way.

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Dont forget it was AGAR and SHARP that brought this low grade player to
HULL FC in place of WEBSTER. Its no good saying he has lost his confidence as AGAR does, THORMAN is a poor poor player.

It looks like Agar will have 6 or 7 players back in the squad for the Catalans game this should leave some interesting selection problems and maybe the chance for him to make a statement.

If Dowes, Cusack, King, Thackray, Moa, Cordoba and Lauaki are all fit whos plays prop?

And it is easy to say,without proof, that Webster would have been better.

He would still be playing behind a beaten pack and to be fair he looks good in a league that is poor in quality.

Cusack and Cordoba start with Moa and Lauaki off the bench.

King has been impressive in the last month, I would have him ahead of Cordoba who struggles to hold the ball. Also not sure you want Moa and Lauaki on at the same time.

King had a good 20 mins v rovers but not sure about anything else.

Cordoba has been very good other than the rovers game. Moa and Lauaki on at the same time is exactly what we need imo for the last 15/20 mins of the half.

Could be do-able if we continue the 5 prop game .

Personally I don't think Thorman has been your sole problem this year, just that he had a couple of bad games and became the scape goat for all the ills and unless he is outstanding he will be the main reason you 've lost games this year.

A half back behind a defeated pack will always struggle even the best would, so an average one like Thorman will look awful. Webster may have offered a better kicking game but still think he'd have struggled and being our ex captain he would have become the scape goat even quicker.

Thorman has lost his confidence and as such looks a bag of nerves and isn't playing well, I personallly think if you'd had Shaun Long in this year he'd have struggled badly. (not a dig at Longy by the way cos behind a better pack you should have next year he'll go well).

I prefer balance myself and as Moa and Lauaki are both classed as impact props I would rather have them paired with a workhorse type prop.

That is something that worry me greatyly, Long is good in a good side, but he is more than capable of disappearing when the chips are down, how will he manage behind a beaten pack, in a side poorly coached, with sub-standard tactics?

Why do you think that we'll have a beaten pack next season?

got it in one mate, you are not the only one.

Wheres the pro KC group now?