Not entirely convinced of that, personally. Either way, the problem is at least asmuch how they focus the effort they put in (ie tactics), and that is where Agar comes in. We have not been trying the right things enough or changing what isn't working.

Thank you for that , I will bear that in mind , thanks, difficult to join a forum where so many people obviously know each
other so well and comment but i am sure those that are not red bull driven will see I am black and white to the core and want it all to be success after success as well as they do , just seems far too much negativity sometimes...
BUT it is painful to watch at times I agree

Who needs Humberside/KCFM/ or other posters opinions.

We have this thing called the "League Table" and it never, ever, lies.

Lets face it and be honest
as I see it.
King, Thacks, Motu, Tickle, thorman, Radford, etc should all know in their hearts that the game is up for them... 1000s each week cannot be wrong huh?? and my point is that Agar sees this as well
Even Horne has become the most predictable player in SL this season all of which should be moved on if form at present is to be the deciding factor however , many of those above would I am sure be better players behind a more balanced team.
But find it hard to see where those forwards above will fit into the squad next year

I totally agree with you , and its painful for me to watch it also....
BUT I am sure that Agar & sharp know it also
and regardles of what mistakes are made they are far more knowledgable that you and I put together and at the very end of the day we are not party to the conversations they have together about next years rosta but knowing sharp as a player and a person I can say that I am 1000% convinced that things will be much different next year with their team!!

Sign of the times unfortunately. The disappointment/frustration of getting so close to the top band of teams 2/3 years ago and then throwing away the opportunity is what fuels a lot of it IMO.

I honestly don't think Agar is better than you and I put together, that is the problem, I have no faith in him at all. And as a player, Sharp was average.

and this season I will still visit every mach I can and give them 100 % support because at the end of the day I support Hull FC with black and white blinkers on and are always optomistic

There is a saying about that.

And I can alos see why Standee I realy can , BUT there is more to what is going on than meets the eye I can tell you that for free and it will change.I am convinced of that..
lets judge them after next season with their rosta on board!!

PS watch the press late next week ha ha

Sorry, but this is the same old garbage people have been trotting out for weeks now, if there's "more going on than meets the eye" then it's only going on because Agar is too damn weak to sort it out.

You started with some credability, it's waining.

Tickle I still have time for from a playing perspective, but if the rumours are true I wouldn't argue against his departure. R Horne has earnt time to put things right with what he's given to the club in the past. He's not as creative as he might be for a stand off, but as you say if he had more around him (particularly in the way of runners and support play) it could be a hugely different story. I do think we need a minimum of half a dozen players out of the door, though.

I've just realised that jiggly middle finger is an anagram of james rule spin doctor extraordinaire

Ha ha I wish I was that intelligent ha ha