Which of course won't show up on the stats.

Which is on reason why I don't like to rely on them.
What? The comment was made that Thorman has been worse than Horne defensively. I was merely pointing out that it was an inaccurate statement.

Ive also said on here numerous times im not blaming the players, its the coaching thats wrong, but the stats exist for a reason and like it or not the coaches do use them!

Those stats are meaningless without context.

So what is Horne's Role?

For me it's making breaks, supporting play help orgaisise the team and put some good kicks in.

The last couple of games he hasnt done any of this.

But Thorman has been getting all the stick.

It's not an inaccurate statement. Pointing at some contextless numbers doesn't change this.



They use them, but do so with much more thought than a quick scan of a couple of meaningless numbers. At least, I hope they do. To do otherwise would be extremely foolish and naive.

Why do they players take no blame whatsoever? I agree with you most of the time but I can't understand your thinking that everything that goes wrong is down to Agar. Someone misses a tackle, drops a ball, looks lazy and uninterested and it's all Agar's fault.

For me its 50/50 between the coaches and the players.

Just watched the highlights. Horne is instrumental in two of our tries, taking the ball to the line and passing superbly to put players through gaps.

Seems like halfback play to me.

Performed pretty much as expected really, he has shown a lot of quality in some games especially with his short kicking game, he isnt enough of a playmaker or have the character or the long range kicking game to play as a 7 week in and week out in SL.