[quote="DSJ1983":395mxwtk]Clubs have voted against the dispensations. For me it did seem like Rovers leaked the idea to maybe put pressure on other clubs who wouldn’t be keen. You was right about Salford wanting it though, they seemingly they voted in favour.[/quote:395mxwtk] Not being bias but this whole debacle has 0 to do with rovers, teams like cas etc will want to see the back of Salford etc This to me concretes the fact that this is the end of Salford, granted if hull offer them 700k for sneyd in which they won’t, only yourselves and Leigh have cap space/money, the price of the players has just shot down

[quote="Theeaststander1":12gjamcr]Not being bias but this whole debacle has 0 to do with rovers, teams like cas etc will want to see the back of Salford etc This to me concretes the fact that this is the end of Salford, granted if hull offer them 700k for sneyd in which they won’t, only yourselves and Leigh have cap space/money, the price of the players has just shot down[/quote:12gjamcr] Think Rovers wanted Macdonald and will have pushed for dispensations and obviously briefed the media, but agree it looks really worrying for Salford, I expected them to put up a fight for players even if the RFL suggested they offer them around.

[quote="Theeaststander1":3fbmip68]Not being bias but this whole debacle has 0 to do with rovers, teams like cas etc will want to see the back of Salford etc This to me concretes the fact that this is the end of Salford, granted if hull offer them 700k for sneyd in which they won’t, only yourselves and Leigh have cap space/money, the price of the players has just shot down[/quote:3fbmip68] Wakefield and Wire have cap space. Wakefield, Leigh, Wire and Huuds have a quotation spot available

[quote="REDWHITEANDBLUE":3ddjnxgr]Wakefield and Wire have cap space. Wakefield, Leigh, Wire and Huuds have a quotation spot available[/quote:3ddjnxgr] Not the space to offer the contracts the players will want , very minimal cap left in most clubs

[quote="DSJ1983":1bv7utv3]Think Rovers wanted Macdonald and will have pushed for dispensations and obviously briefed the media, but agree it looks really worrying for Salford, I expected them to put up a fight for players even if the RFL suggested they offer them around.[/quote:1bv7utv3] I get you think hull kr are the only ones who have put bids in, but Wigan saints and co will have all had a hand in pockets Saints needed a nene McDonald etc All articles said ‘and various other clubs’ But either way doesnt matter the rfl will let their players walk on a free next week as they ain’t making up 700k

[quote="Theeaststander1":1munuehf]Not the space to offer the contracts the players will want , very minimal cap left in most clubs[/quote:1munuehf] See what happens if/when it come to it then

[quote="Theeaststander1":15ntv2xv]I get you think hull kr are the only ones who have put bids in, but Wigan saints and co will have all had a hand in pockets Saints needed a nene McDonald etc All articles said ‘and various other clubs’ But either way doesnt matter the rfl will let their players walk on a free next week as they ain’t making up 700k[/quote:15ntv2xv] We may have voted yes otherwise I'd be surprised if we could fit cross and sneyd under the cap, however at least 7 clubs voted no which is all that matters

[quote="Jake the Peg":zr11vpbp]We may have voted yes otherwise I'd be surprised if we could fit cross and sneyd under the cap, however at least 7 clubs voted no which is all that matters[/quote:zr11vpbp] I can't imagine Cross will cost much and wouldn't Sneyd be our fed trained marquee?

[quote="Jake the Peg":2yu5oghn]We may have voted yes otherwise I'd be surprised if we could fit cross and sneyd under the cap, however at least 7 clubs voted no which is all that matters[/quote:2yu5oghn] “at this stage no changes have been made to salary cap regulations, but further proposals may be considered." if i was to have a bet, i dont think for one second this will pull salford out the 700k hole if they dont give dispensations to the clubs the players will just walk to save themselves i think the RFL will override the 'vote' and put the dispensations in to save a club with it being 3 weeks till the seasons starts

[quote="Theeaststander1":32qujypk]“at this stage no changes have been made to salary cap regulations, but further proposals may be considered." if i was to have a bet, i dont think for one second this will pull salford out the 700k hole if they dont give dispensations to the clubs the players will just walk to save themselves i think the RFL will override the 'vote' and put the dispensations in to save a club with it being 3 weeks till the seasons starts[/quote:32qujypk] You hope, not think

[quote="Jake the Peg":35bhlw45]You hope, not think[/quote:35bhlw45] if youre referring to nene we have 3 great centres all capable....he would be brilliant but not needed whatsoever i think the genuine conversation that needs to be addressed now is we are about to have an 11 team league, which will put a lot of strain on clubs

[quote="Theeaststander1":3tdr6zaf]“at this stage no changes have been made to salary cap regulations, but further proposals may be considered." if i was to have a bet, i dont think for one second this will pull salford out the 700k hole if they dont give dispensations to the clubs the players will just walk to save themselves i think the RFL will override the 'vote' and put the dispensations in to save a club with it being 3 weeks till the seasons starts[/quote:3tdr6zaf] Override the vote allow the dispensations and save Salford (for now) and ruin the integrity of the competition. Rock and hard place.

[quote="Theeaststander1":1f6ao2tp]if youre referring to nene we have 3 great centres all capable....[quote:1f6ao2tp]he would be brilliant but not needed whatsoever [/quote:1f6ao2tp] i think the genuine conversation that needs to be addressed now is we are about to have an 11 team league, which will put a lot of strain on clubs[/quote:1f6ao2tp] If's that's the case why do Rovers want to sign him. Purely to help save Salford of course.

[quote="Marcus's Bicycle":1ofb23t2]If's that's the case why do Rovers want to sign him. Purely to help save Salford of course.[/quote:1ofb23t2] we wanted him purely because on his day hes a top centre, nobody implied for a second that we want to save a club, but the RFL will have worries more than most as it will burn another bridge with sky etc like you say rock and a hard place salford players will be ringing their agents taking any offer they can, its all gonna end worse for everyone if the RFL dont make some drastic choices

[quote="Theeaststander1":31kswwzk]we wanted him purely because on his day hes a top centre, nobody implied for a second that we want to save a club, but the RFL will have worries more than most as it will burn another bridge with sky etc like you say rock and a hard place salford players will be ringing their agents taking any offer they can, its all gonna end worse for everyone if the RFL dont make some drastic choices[/quote:31kswwzk] Sad to say that even with a fire sale I cannot see how it will save Salford. At best a stay of execution. Unless they find a backer asap I cannot see them continuing which will be terrible for the game.

[quote="Marcus's Bicycle":2kzn9ki6]Sad to say that even with a fire sale I cannot see how it will save Salford. At best a stay of execution. Unless they find a backer asap I cannot see them continuing which will be terrible for the game.[/quote:2kzn9ki6] 100% agree they aint getting close to 700k players wont care about the offers being put for transfer fees, theyll just want out sneyd may get a bit of a bidding war between yourselves and leigh but that is gonna cover lets say 100k , going off the ackers/croft transfers cross/olmonroyd will most likely be happy just to get a deal elsewhere wakey have the pick of jayden n / nene / stone / lewis who do they take, but again they wont offer silly money as if they wanted too, they could just give it 3 weeks and get them for free

[quote="Theeaststander1":ht912c5x]if youre referring to nene we have 3 great centres all capable....he would be brilliant but not needed whatsoever i think the genuine conversation that needs to be addressed now is we are about to have an 11 team league, which will put a lot of strain on clubs[/quote:ht912c5x] Salford would be uncompetitive with a decimated squad anyway. The only person wringing his hands is you as you see that glimmer of hope disappear

Agree with a lot of the above however, I think if there was the slightest chance of a take over or anyone buying into the Salford club in the short or even medium term the clubs would have perhaps held off and granted them more time and perhaps even helped them out, but I guess therefore by their strong actions after a short meeting that's not the case and its unlikely to happen. Perhaps even they see Salford as a lost cause!!! The clubs always think about themselves but the fact that they ruled, in the first instance, against a free for all and rather restricted deals for their players to clubs with cap space left, indicates that they perhaps feel betrayed buy the lack of openness of Salford and now their main concern is for the competition, their television commitments and the fixture list being intact and honoured by all 12 clubs. With the caveat included about further changes ie cap expansions etc. being an option points to the fact that getting the £700,000 one way or another is an imperative. As I said previously the whole fully professional game is on the edge here and we have to find a way of resolving things, before the dominoes start to fall and other clubs are impacted. I wonder how many more clubs can sustain the losses they are posting for much longer. I think had Salford come clean at the end of last season when they obviously knew what was to unfold then we would have seen perhaps Toulouse in, in their place, but they have kept their problems under wraps so that now despite their losing players the Super League Clubs have no option but to keep them in the competition for another year. As I say I don't think Salford have been as honest as they could have been. The fact that there are reports in the media that since last Friday the players have been in Portugal on a warm weather training camp is quite frankly mind boggling. You have to feel for the Salford fans don't you they must wonder what the hell is to become of their beloved club. As always they are the innocent ones in all this and will feel quite helpless particularly after all the pledges and whip rounds they have put into the club over the last few years.

[quote="Marcus's Bicycle":1y5rehfn]Override the vote allow the dispensations and save Salford (for now) and ruin the integrity of the competition. Rock and hard place.[/quote:1y5rehfn] Exactly. A club with no money or a club with no team - neither works. The only thing that’d help is new investment. I think it is probably the best of the bad available options to let nature take its course. Remembering what ‘help’ did to Bradford, for example. If the worst happens they’ll likely do something similar to when Crusaders went under.

I’d have thought that if Salford lost their 4-5 top earners, that would easily cover the £700k cost reduction. Of a player’s base salary is £100k, then by the time you add in NI, car and house allowances (these are allowable outside the cap), then you are looking at nearer £140-150k. Therefore, it may be that they let 7-8 top earners go and bring in some cheaper replacements or loans. It will make Salford much weaker, but hopefully gives them time to get a new buyer.

[quote="Rugby Raider":4cagbdd4]I’d have thought that if Salford lost their 4-5 top earners, that would easily cover the £700k cost reduction. Of a player’s base salary is £100k, then by the time you add in NI, car and house allowances (these are allowable outside the cap), then you are looking at nearer £140-150k. Therefore, it may be that they let 7-8 top earners go and bring in some cheaper replacements or loans. It will make Salford much weaker, but hopefully gives them time to get a new buyer.[/quote:4cagbdd4] They need 700k asap as reported, not overtime, hence why the fire sale in imminent

Surely we offer Lane Fash Sao for a player swap ! We get McDonald then as Sao disappears and the above 4 wages aren’t that much compared to McDonald We need a CENTRE and a Stand Off Not a 35 year old scrum half in Sneyd

all this fighting over McDonald and other overseas Salford players, nobody considered they maybe asked to be released from their contracts to return back to Oz for the 2025 season, then be open to sign for clubs next season (if they already haven't)

[quote="Tarquin Fuego":nzhy1fdr]Surely we offer Lane Fash Sao for a player swap ! We get McDonald then as Sao disappears and the above 4 wages aren’t that much compared to McDonald We need a CENTRE and a Stand Off Not a 35 year old scrum half in Sneyd[/quote:nzhy1fdr] I can imagine that moving to a club in financial difficulties may not be hugely appealing to Lane, Fash and Sao.

[quote="Tarquin Fuego":14awi0a7]Surely we offer Lane Fash Sao for a player swap ! We get McDonald then as Sao disappears and the above 4 wages aren’t that much compared to McDonald We need a CENTRE and a Stand Off Not a 35 year old scrum half in Sneyd[/quote:14awi0a7] What would be in it for the players? I can’t see any players from any SL club wanting a swap as who’d want to risk not getting paid but especially 3 players based or settled in Hull. Also I know it was last season but Macdonald was there the Sky research had Salford’s wage bill down as ridiculously low, only just higher then part time London. Swap deals with established SL players won’t likely work for Salfords financial situation because the players coming in likely wouldn’t be far off what they pay ‘stars’ like Macdonald anyway.