While it is understandable, I'm not sure hoping to do OK next year in preparation for a big year in 2013 stacks up. In my opinion, now Agar's gone and we have some half backs, we should aspire to big improvements in 2012 and see where it takes us.

This is because it may be wishful thinking to think we'll have a better squad in 2013. All the evidence points to it getting extremely hard to sign good players, and if you adhere to the salary cap having a highly ambitious or wealthy owner doesn't get us away from that. The top class Aussie player market is becoming dead, many top English players are on long contracts with good clubs, and we could potentially lose Briscoe and Moa, who will be difficult to replace.

Therefore the keys to success are the coaching and youth policy. Hopefully the coaching will have a quick impact, but the youth policy may take a while to turn around and bear fruit. Although now Agar is gone, there may be some hope that we could be suprised by some of our younger players.

I can now watch FC and I expect to see an improvement in the utter crud that has been passed off to us in recent years. I remember our early years of super league, not too good but they tried then Bomber came and entertaining open rugby. OK we got beat, but I always left feeling I had been entertained. In recent years we where treated to dire diet of 4 drives and a poor kick with a side order of spin, in fact spin seemed to be served at every opportunity. Many sucked it in and speaking out against those who saved us was not very popular in some circles, being against the past regime was being UNFAITHFUL in many peoples eyes.

We have a new start , with new values and we must forget the last few years and move on. Its not going to be easy as the legacy of the old masters is very much alive within the clubs playing staff, the new coach is hampered by the buys of the old and he will have to work with what he has.

Peter Gentle was the assistant coach to the Aussie National Team, think about that the greatest rugby league team is without any question the Aussie national team and we have the man was 2nd in command ................exciting it has to be. Sure he is not a fully tested coach in super league, HE IS NOT ON HIS OWN THERE IS HE . Its going to take time to build the right squad, its not going to happen next season and we should not expect it too. Anyone thinking we could be sitting in the Stratford end come October watching the team run out is going to be a tad upset. I want to see progress, a team trying, throwing the ball around, camping out on the oppositions line and actually turning the pressure into points.

Hell we may even have a 40/20 or 2

Excited, gawd I am wetting myself not for next year but the years ahead and all the talent coming through the ranks instead of having rugby coached out of them.

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Very bad, and one of the reasons your small club were competing with us. But no more. Onwards and upwards

Competing with you? a bit more than that pal!

The type of stuff O'Meley is talking about has been around for a long time, seriously cant believe people at the club let things get so bad, one the other hand it does look like these people have now gone.

Correct . No more medocrity . Leave that to HKR in this City.

It has been around for a while. That's why I'm saying you will no longer compete with us. Our squad has always been far better than yours on paper but poor coaching and poor facilities have let us down.

Sports science has been round for years as well yet limpdick is getting a hard dick talking about it.Maybe it has slipped under the old regime but at least our new owner doesnt have to rely on handouts from mad eygptians to get things done.

Cheers Ian that saved me a lot of typing

I'm actually not expecting too much from this season because much of the recruitment had already been done. The Martin and Aspinwall signings aren't exactly inspiring but to me they look like fill-ins while we develop Crooks (in Martin's case) and secure signings that Gentle wants for the season after. The club has ambition now, which is more than it's had for sometime. We should have kicked on and become one of the biggest and best clubs in the country after winning the cup - it's been galling to watch Huddersfield and Warrington come from further back and overtake us to the degree they have.

This season I'd hope we could manage a top five finish with the KC becoming a ground that visiting teams don't enjoy playing at again.

To be honest though I'm just looking forward to seeing a Hull team where the 'game plan' isn't five drives and a terrible kick - more often than not three drives and a mistake or five drives during which the count is lost and the ball ends up in the hands of somebody who has never kicked before in his life. Who knows, we may even go wild and throw more than two passes without then having to turn one back on the inside for a mediocre forward like Dowes to crash into three opponents. We can but dream.

Just make some progress, then the season after this one hopefully big things.

That's it in a nutshell. I'd be more than happy with 5th, a play off win and a Cup win against SL opposition. Then upwards in 2013.