I don't [iquite[/i agree with that. I think they wanted to win, and once again they put the effort in, but the required intensity just wasn't there yet again.

Don't pin all your hopes on gentle. It's his first head coach job and one has to ask why if he is so good he has come to Uk work hunting.

As a HC he is unknown and his profile in the nrl according to some aus posters has been blown up cinsiderably.

That said I hope he does well for you.

I don't mind hull and they are one if the preferred teams after my own.

Like Maguire you mean? Atleast he's an unknown quantity rather than a proven failure like your new coach.

Indeed - I saw a pint of beer thrown and 2 Leeds fans being ejected by stewards after a bit of shouting. Worst behaviour was at the end when a Rhinos scroatess with King Kev 13 on her shirt marched in front of the West terrace giving us all 2 one-fingered salutes and screeching bloody murder. Escorted out by 3 stewards to much applause.

By not up for the battle in this instance I am more refering to our lack of edge with the ball in hand, the surprise tactic or clear objective in the way we attack. I thought today we seemed to have no real attacking plan to upset or surprise Leeds not to mention a terrible effort of a kicking game.

Certainly not knocking the players effort but more the execution/game plan didnt seem to exist. For example I would have assumed we would send traffic down the edge where Hardaker was defending at centre but we didnt seem to have any sort of specific desire to exploit potential weakness' but just go through our attacking motions.

What is your problem??

I wouldn't say agar is a failure. If you had missed playoffs last 2 years I would deem him a failure. I would say he is average and hope he will learn from his first coaching experience at top level. Fact is he fell short of alot of hull fans expectations for top 4.

I'm willing to give the guy a shot anyway.

Yes he does

Well, he's not been a success IMO. 0 play-off wins in 4 seasons, 0 wins against SL opposition in the CC in 3 years. 0 from 11 vs Leeds. Approx 6 wins out of 31 games against the top teams. If that's success at a club with a squad fairly close to the salary cap, then I wonder what failure would constitute.

And beaten by morgan an co on several occasions

Why has he been shipped to Wakey then .

Typical agar performance. They looked completely unprepared for the game and I'm unsure if it's the coaches or players faults that seasoned pros can't pass

was watching the team in the dressing room at half time and there appeared to be no sign of Agar, isn't he supposed to do a team talk of some sort. His body language all through the game said it all. No interest at all.

On the flip side he has beaten the sides you should expect to beat with a high percentage.

The tactics looked ok, the majority of trys were down to indiscipline, dropped ball and dropping off tackles. That is more down to the players. If there were massive gaps early on that Leeds walked through untouched then that is a poor game plan. There wasn't and as the game went on the players heads went down and the game plan deteriorated somewhat. And the players on the field lost heart.

If players can't motivate themselves in a playoff game on self pride and for the fans I hardly see how the vouch can be responsible for instilling that in players. It should come from within.

I'm not saying agar shouldn't shoulder some blame but the players tonight were guilty too.

They were, quite right.

However, Agar's had four years and he has not been good enough.