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| Quote: Chris28 "I thought it was interesting that yesterday Cas had 5 FC rejects playing for them. Deemed not good enough for the mighty FC, they're now part of a side that has improved massively this year (yes, it may not last) and they look down on our lowly 10th place from 3rd, having thrashed a team that beat us only a few weeks ago.
The point being of course that a side (regardless of so-called quality) that is together and wants to play can do so much better than a team of supposed stars who either can't or won't. On paper, you'd say we're better in the majority of positions, but in terms of form, confidence and will to win, they're streets ahead.
We need to start again, write off this season and build over the next few, like Cas have, like Leeds did, like Wigan did. I'm not suggesting that we chuck games, but why not blood some of the youngsters? Try different set ups, game plans? We seem to be playing completely different 17s and different game plans week in week out anyway, so why not actually say it and do it?
We as fans need to calm down with our expectations that we can win trophies and realise that we ain't going to be challenging for some time. We might fluke a CC final and maybe win it, but the aim should be long term success, not a quick fix just so we can say we won something. AP needs to read the riot act, get rid of some players, some coaches and effectively start again.
Some of our defence on Saturday was shocking and we're back in the old "go behind, heads down" way I thought we'd got rid of. Once we go behind the players seem to feel that its game over. It is so frustrating because we've seen a few times this year that we CAN play well.
Still, come Thursday, we'll have a player trotting out the "we can beat Leeds and kick on from that" flannel and then have our backsides comprehensively handed to us at Headingley on Friday night.
Perhaps for different reasons, but I'm with Dobbo. Enough is enough. I love Hull FC, which is why seeing us like this hurts.'"
I agreed wholeheartedly but it has to start with the right people in place which includes a coach who has been there, seen it, done it and got the t shirt otherwise the chances are we will end up going off track
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| Quote: pmarrow "We've become too soft and sentimental as a club, we have given deals to players who maybe didn't serve them or have the ability anymore to warrant them. We have had god knows how many testimonials in the past few years and that to me has allowed players to become complacent, the testimonial players seem more interested in flogging a curry night then playing on the pitch.
Its give out the wrong message and standards have dropped, rapidly. They should be given a pre season match and that is it, too many of them are getting to testimonial stages and thinking they have done enough to see there career out at the club IMO.
I don't care if we go down, if it means we can rip everything and everyone out of this club. We just look like a club that would really benefit from it, wipe the slate clean and start again. Concentrate on bringing through the new breed of Hull players who would do anything to wear that shirt, because half the current lot don't deserve to wear it.
At this moment in time my only survivors from this squad would be Westerman, Shaul and Rankin. Out of a squad of 32 players that is really really poor.
I too signed up to the direct debit scheme and I am now thinking of opting out, to lose £25 to never see that poop again is money well spent in my eyes.'"
You'd seriously keep rankin but let players like crooks and lineham go?
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| I'm bored rigid of it all now. No enjoyment in watching us any more
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| Quote: TommysDad "A hard read but very glaringly true I'm afraid
It may have been a hard read, but trust me, it was even harder still to type the whole thing out .
Thanks for taking the time to read it anyways, cheers.
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| Quote: Chris28 "On paper, you'd say we're better in the majority of positions.'"
I wouldn't say that for one minute. Clark and Sneyd to name but two would make a massive difference at Hull and Shenton is miles better than any centre we have. Most of the FC rejects had their cards handed to them on here not least Andy Lynch who was classed as finished by those in the know. Gentle certainly took something out of his game when he took the captaincy off him though that much is true.
You're right about the difference in confidence. But for a string of individual errors from one player we would have beaten them away this year. Oh for the days when we were playing at that level.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I too signed up to the direct debit scheme and I am now thinking of opting out, to lose £25 to never see that poop again is money well spent in my eyes.'"
That is the main reason I held off singing up to the new DD scheme as I am no longer prepared to throw good money away after years of doing so. I am thoroughly disillusioned with the club, the performances and years of false and empty promises and am no longer prepared to sacrifice money I can use for better things just to show blind faith. Cue all the posts of you're not a true supporter.
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| Quote: Chris71 "That is the main reason I held off singing up to the new DD scheme as I am no longer prepared to throw good money away after years of doing so. I am thoroughly disillusioned with the club, the performances and years of false and empty promises and am no longer prepared to sacrifice money I can use for better things just to show blind faith. Cue all the posts of you're not a true supporter.'"
It does actually raise a very pertinant point. Who is the real "true" supporter, the one who decides on a course of action (a refusal to fund a cause which has clearly lost its way) or the one who simply blindly continues to follow oblivious to the obvious deficiences which are becoming more apparent with each passing week.
As you say, cue the posts .
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| Quote: BP1 "It does actually raise a very pertinant point. Who is the real "true" supporter, the one who decides on a course of action (a refusal to fund a cause which has clearly lost its way) or the one who simply blindly continues to follow oblivious to the obvious deficiences which are becoming more apparent with each passing week.
As you say, cue the posts
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| Quote: ccs "It really is quite strange the contempt some posters show for people who continue to support their team despite poor performances.'"
I find apologists deserve contempt. It's why the club are not where they should be, too many people just accepting mediocrity.
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| Quote: Standee "I find apologists deserve contempt. It's why the club are not where they should be, too many people just accepting mediocrity.'"
I shouldn't imagine that any contempt aimed by you would be overly worrying anyone.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "I shouldn't imagine that any contempt aimed by you would be overly worrying anyone.'"
probably nobody I respect, I agree.
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| Quote: Standee "I find apologists deserve contempt. It's why the club are not where they should be, too many people just accepting mediocrity.'"
You're like a cracked record. Thank god you don't go to matches.
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| Quote: ccs "You're like a cracked record. Thank god you don't go to matches.'"
you mean a broken record, at least get your metaphor correct.
I was there Saturday, it was poor.
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| Quote: ccs "It really is quite strange the contempt some posters show for people who continue to support their team despite poor performances.'"
I honestly wasn't intending to be contemptuous of anyone, sorry if it came across that way. It was meant as a genuine question.
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| Quote: BP1 "I honestly wasn't intending to be contemptuous of anyone, sorry if it came across that way. It was meant as a genuine question.'" Fair enough, but as you have seen from other replies, certain individuals treat posters with total contempt at every opportunity.
The debate about Hull's current form is extremely one-sided at the moment, and it seems that any counter arguments are irrelevant.
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