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| Quote: ccs "Every penny city received from Mr Allam was a loan, costing 4% per annum, not a bad return at today's interest rates.'"
Not sure what's gone on really. Says he's put £85m in. If all a loan over, what, 5 years, that's £17m in interest. Then selling for a £15m profit. So cleared £32m? Can't be right?
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| I have absolutely no problem with him making a profit.
FFS but for some miracle working by Bruce ( twice ) some major investment in the transfer market ( much of which failed ) and a fair degree of graft & luck he would have waved bye bye to every penny.
Premiership, Cup Final, Europe massive for the fans & the city. Real shame he lost the hearts & minds last year but overall he has been really positive & nobody should begrudge him a reasonable return on his money.
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| Quote: ccs "He chose to invest in a football club, so was taking a risk.
If his £50m was a gift, he'd have lost £50m before making any sort of profit on his investment.
So how do you invest your millions?'"
I don't have millions but if I did it would be returning me more than 4%. If you don;t understand money don't post about it
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I don't have millions but if I did it would be returning me more than 4%. If you don;t understand money don't post about it'" What's understanding money got to do with it?
Mr Allam has invested in a football club, not usually the best way of making millions, but clearly you must know how it can be done.
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| Quote: ccs "What's understanding money got to do with it?
Mr Allam has invested in a football club, not usually the best way of making millions, but clearly you must know how it can be done.'"
Plenty of clubs turn a profit but your post stated 4% was a decent return on an investment which it isn't. If he gets his £100m then his overall return will likely be 70%+
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| All ifs and buts and to be honest the long term strategy MUST be to keep the stadium in the hands of the council, selling it and likely any covenents which would appear to be mainly anyway given how the council got its arris handed top it by Allam would be a massive mistake IMHO. The ground would then be increased in capacity in short order, land used for a hotel and other facilities all without any consideration for the access and egress and local residents, the former which is diabolical as it is.
Owners come & go and success is never a guarantee, Pearson is a business man at the end of the day and I still think he has bigger fish to fry, IF City and the SMC get sold to a consortium/big overseas money it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Pearson tried to do a deal to sell the club, winning silverware this year would put him in a massively better position than 12 months ago for sure.
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| Quote: Armavinit "Will Ehab pocket the 170 million for going up? Is that doled out in stages or has it to be used for specifics. Allam always claimed to have put over 80 million into City, if true, they're are making a lot on any deal.'"
Money for Hull City next season in the Premier League will be paid in installments and they will not receive 170 million. The team finishing bottom of the league will receive near 100 million and the top team near 150 million.
If a team is relegated next season it will receive around 80 million in so-called parachute payments over several seasons, again in installments.
So assume City finish bottom next season and do not make it back before the parachute payments run out they will be paid a total of around 180 million of Premier League money for being promoted this season.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Plenty of clubs turn a profit but your post stated 4% was a decent return on an investment which it isn't. If he gets his £100m then his overall return will likely be 70%+'" ... roughly 24% of which was made up in interest on his loan. A handy extra when the risk factor is taken into account.
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| Quote: al283 "I have absolutely no problem with him making a profit.
FFS but for some miracle working by Bruce ( twice ) some major investment in the transfer market ( much of which failed ) and a fair degree of graft & luck he would have waved bye bye to every penny.
Premiership, Cup Final, Europe massive for the fans & the city. Real shame he lost the hearts & minds last year but overall he has been really positive & nobody should begrudge him a reasonable return on his money.'"
Its a real shame as if you look at the basics of where the club where at the start of his reign and were they are now, add the achievements in between the man could have been a hero at Hull City for as long as the club lasts. As it is he will probably be remembered as the man who tried to change the name and charge pensioners and kids full price.
Seems to have a personality flaw of getting himself into great positions and then finding the best way to shoot himself in the foot.
I would worry about american owners though, their isn't a great deal of evidence of successful US owners in premier league teams, most have caused fan unrest and made some very unpopular decisions. Americans are the great believers in franchising and fans as 'customers'.
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| Quote: Freddie Miller. "Money for Hull City next season in the Premier League will be paid in installments and they will not receive 170 million. The team finishing bottom of the league will receive near 100 million and the top team near 150 million.
If a team is relegated next season it will receive around 80 million in so-called parachute payments over several seasons, again in installments.
So assume City finish bottom next season and do not make it back before the parachute payments run out they will be paid a total of around 180 million of Premier League money for being promoted this season.'"
Cheers, Fred. Thought in the run up to Wembley it was labled "the £167 millon game". I was under the impression that City would get quite a bit up front to allow them to build, in an effort to counteract yo-yoism.
Bruce has given himself ten days to see what happens with any buy-outs. Realistically, he needs more time to decide on bringing players in, £100 million pounds, probably gets you four reasonable players nowadays? How's the weather there, been smashing here for the last few days but rain forecast for tomorrow.
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| Quote: barham red "Its a real shame as if you look at the basics of where the club where at the start of his reign and were they are now, add the achievements in between the man could have been a hero at Hull City for as long as the club lasts. As it is he will probably be remembered as the man who tried to change the name and charge pensioners and kids full price.
Seems to have a personality flaw of getting himself into great positions and then finding the best way to shoot himself in the foot.
I would worry about american owners though, their isn't a great deal of evidence of successful US owners in premier league teams, most have caused fan unrest and made some very unpopular decisions. Americans are the great believers in franchising and fans as 'customers'.'"
His arrogance around the name change really hit it home to me how much of a prick he was. After stating there was evidence that the name change would increase revenue he went on radio humberside. He was asked what the evidence was. He said something along the lines of... "I'm the evidence, if I say it, that makes it evidence".
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I don't have millions but if I did it would be returning me more than 4%. If you don;t understand money don't post about it'"
The only way to return more than 4% in today's economy is through risk based investments, like stocks and shares, property, acquisitions etc. You'd have certainly done well last year to have made 4% even there, the market dropped 5%, even the likes of Woodford made losses. Base line interest rates are too low for any fixed products, like savings and bonds. There are some fix terms options that might exceed 4% (only just) but there is no way you are going to be allowed to invest millions into them.
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| Quote: Bal "The only way to return more than 4% in today's economy is through risk based investments, like stocks and shares, property, acquisitions etc. You'd have certainly done well last year to have made 4% even there, the market dropped 5%, even the likes of Woodford made losses. Base line interest rates are too low for any fixed products, like savings and bonds. There are some fix terms options that might exceed 4% (only just) but there is no way you are going to be allowed to invest millions into them.'"
Bugger, don't what my 7s-6d in TSB will be worth do you?
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| Quote: Bal "The only way to return more than 4% in today's economy is through risk based investments, like stocks and shares, property, acquisitions etc. You'd have certainly done well last year to have made 4% even there, the market dropped 5%, even the likes of Woodford made losses. Base line interest rates are too low for any fixed products, like savings and bonds. There are some fix terms options that might exceed 4% (only just) but there is no way you are going to be allowed to invest millions into them.'"
If an entrepreneur has £50m to invest I can absolutely guarantee he'd return more than 4%. Do you think these people stick their millions in the bank or dabble in shares? They'd be looking at a spread of investments to balance risk and reward and would get much more than 4%. I have some unit trusts sat in an ISA which returned 19% last year
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