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| Do you think the way McDonnell seems to be being treat and if other players contracts are terminated will affect future retention and recruitment. Will it make a player think twice about joining up?
Personally quite happy about the McDonnell situation, what goes around and all that.
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| Quote barham red="barham red"Do you think the way McDonnell seems to be being treat and if other players contracts are terminated will affect future retention and recruitment. Will it make a player think twice about joining up?'"
Doubt it. You binned off Cockayne, Taulapapa, Maki, Panui, Tuimavave, Paterson, Netherton, Cooke, Mason, Ward, Gannon, James Webster, Fozzard, Ratu, Crossman, Taylor, Green, Watts and Wheeldon before their contracts had expired, and it's not stopped you attracting luminaries like Ade Gardner. Oh, I see what you mean.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Doubt it. You binned off Cockayne, Taulapapa, Maki, Panui, Tuimavave, Paterson, Netherton, Cooke, Mason, Ward, Gannon, James Webster, Fozzard, Ratu, Crossman, Taylor, Green, Watts and Wheeldon before their contracts had expired, and it's not stopped you attracting luminaries like Ade Gardner. Oh, I see what you mean.'"
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Doubt it. You binned off Cockayne, Taulapapa, Maki, Panui, Tuimavave, Paterson, Netherton, Cooke, Mason, Ward, Gannon, James Webster, Fozzard, Ratu, Crossman, Taylor, Green, Watts and Wheeldon before their contracts had expired, and it's not stopped you attracting luminaries like Ade Gardner. Oh, I see what you mean.'"
Always rely on you for a sensible response, nothing if not consistent.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Doubt it. You binned off Cockayne, Taulapapa, Maki, Panui, Tuimavave, Paterson, Netherton, Cooke, Mason, Ward, Gannon, James Webster, Fozzard, Ratu, Crossman, Taylor, Green, Watts and Wheeldon before their contracts had expired, and it's not stopped you attracting luminaries like Ade Gardner. Oh, I see what you mean.'"
I'd say only Taulapapa (ironically, given who we got in his stead) was anything like equivalent - if the rumour that you've terminated his contract on a technicality were accurate.
Feel a bit for the lad. I think Rovers fans were a bit harsh on him for basically taking a better deal to work with a family friend. And he generally put in entirely competent performances for both clubs.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"I'd say only Taulapapa (ironically, given who we got in his stead) was anything like equivalent - if the rumour that you've terminated his contract on a technicality were accurate. '"
Your honourable friend came a--stirring that we'd be unable to attract players in future because of a player's contract being cut short. Simply pointing out that Rovers have terrific form in the early cancellation of deals for the benefit of the club, not the player.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Your honourable friend came a--stirring that we'd be unable to attract players in future because of a player's contract being cut short. Simply pointing out that Rovers have terrific form in the early cancellation of deals for the benefit of the club, not the player.'"
[uIf[/u you've exercised the 'Tupou clause', or similar, then it will hit your (Hull's) reputation a bit. Just as messing Taulapapa about hurt Rovers. As long as you're not doing it routinely, it won't be a huge issue in fairness and might even be worth it.
All this is based on a rumour/speculation that you've cancelled his registration [iand[/i contract unilaterally. Obviously, if it is agreed pay-off or transfer, then that'd be different.
But [uif[/u he were sacked, effectively for getting a bad, but not entirely unusual, injury 'in the line of duty' and possibly being on too generous a deal that... well, actually it'd be a bit stupid, if nowt else. Assuming he's fit or is going to be at some point in the not too distant, he's not a bad player and can play wing or fullback. Plus he's only got a few months left now anyway, so 'just' de-registering if he is going to be out for a while wouldn't cost all that much more. If you hadn't or weren't signing the likes of Colbon, Carvell and possibly Sa I'd maybe put it down to skint. This'd just look tight. Sounds unlikely, now I think on it.
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| "If you hadn't or weren't signing the likes of Colbon, Carvell and possibly Sa I'd maybe put it down to skint. This'd just look tight. Sounds unlikely, now I think on it"
Think it's called manouvreing within the salary cap. The lad has took a long term injury, we have young Shaul who has took his chance admirably. It's within the rules to cut him from the salary cap????
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| Quote Armavinit="Armavinit"Think it's called manouvreing within the salary cap. The lad has took a long term injury, we have young Shaul who has took his chance admirably. It's within the rules to cut him from the salary cap????'"
I think the point MR was making is that if we just wanted him off the cap we could de-register him as a player but still pay his wages for the few months his contract has left to run. Seems a bit uncharitable on the face of it to bin him off entirely just because he picked up an injury.
However, this is just a rumour and the reality is likely to be a lot more nuanced.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"I think the point MR was making is that if we just wanted him off the cap we could de-register him as a player but still pay his wages for the few months his contract has left to run. Seems a bit uncharitable on the face of it to bin him off entirely just because he picked up an injury.
However, this is just a rumour and the reality is likely to be a lot more nuanced.'"
Agree that de-registering and paying his wages is the better option and hopefully that is what we're doing.
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| Quote MrsBarista="MrsBarista"Your honourable friend came a--stirring that we'd be unable to attract players in future because of a player's contract being cut short. Simply pointing out that Rovers have terrific form in the early cancellation of deals for the benefit of the club, not the player.'"
Wasn't a -stirring at all merely asking an opinion which in the end turned into a sensible debate notca point scoring one.
I do think It's something clubs need to think about whilst maneuvering within the cap.
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| Quote barham red="barham red"Wasn't a -stirring at all merely asking an opinion which in the end turned into a sensible debate notca point scoring one.
I do think It's something clubs need to think about whilst maneuvering within the cap.'"
It's a reasonable point. In the past I feel FC have been guilty of erring too far in the direction of being the 'good guys' and perhaps not been hard-nosed enough in these dealings. It's a fine balance and difficult to get right all the time.
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