Wainhouse highly rated hopefully he can come in next season along with Armstrong in and around the squad. Both better than Laidlaw and probably Gardiner

Get your S&C right (instead of getting rid of half of them) and have a big hard preseason like Rovers did, (and a little luck) and maybe FC wouldn't have had to throw in as many young kids that aren't physically ready for SL. Instead Agent Smith decided to go against the grain and ease into the season,
Every cloud though, Moy looks a talent and Lewis Martin looks like he'll have a really good career, Charles looks far away from being SL ready though.
All in all your juniors are getting game time out of necessity rather than choice, poor recruitment and penny pinching have forced that on the club,

Just about agree with every thing you say, you have to admit though Rovers have fortunate this year, people say its down to SC etc, but Melbourne and Penrith have injuries, arecwe saying Rovers conditioning team and physio are better than those sides?

If you put Charles in a Wigan or Warrington side this year would you think he'd flourish?

I certainly do!

Half back is arguably the toughest position for a youngster to come in and really make their mark. Especially looking at the forward packs Charles has been playing behind and just the general state of the overall team.
Much like Farrimond at Wigan, they have both shown some fantastic glimpses but also have had games where they were pretty anonymous. It's to be completely expected.
Both look like they have potential (key word!) to have fantastic careers.

Totally right, I'm not sure either Robertson or Faromind are better than Moy or Charles, but they are playing on much better sides than Hull.

Exactly…Farrimond does look good I admit as for Robertson,he is getting massively bigged up as he is at Sts but he is struggling and has at least 1 or more mistakes in him every game.

We badly need strengthening in the forwards, 2nd row and centres. Wigan com0letely physically dominated us right across the park today. With only Sao and Holmes missing from what will be our pack next year its worrying. Far too lightweight overall and completely 7nable to hold their own against a decent set of forwards

And John Asiata. Hopefully another too.

And Staveley who looked ready to step up regularly.

So as it stands:
Asiasta
Cartwright
Holmes
Aydin
Ese'ese

Bench assuming 3 forwards:
Ashworth
Sao
Staveley/Chamberlain/Fash/Lane

Not top of the league but not that bad.

personally , if possible i'd look to offload Sao & Fash.

Do we?

Lets say our pack and bench next season is Ese Ese, Cust, Aydin, Cartwright, Holmes and Asiata, bench, Ashworth, Balmforth, Staveley and Sao, that 4 players who where in the 17, one of which went off before HT with HIA, so that means we had 35% of our starting pack playing yesterday.

I thought we matched Wigan's pack pretty well, they were better but not by too much, none of their forwards made over 100m.

Made difference was the likes of Field and Leeming, they created 3/4 trys, we just didn't have the quality in any pivot position.

Wigan are a step above us and will be for the next few years, we need to slowly close down the gap though.

Would I like some more addictions in the pack yes and think we will get a couple more to add depth, but our starting pack isn't bad IMO, centre and halfback are the key recruitment to be done.

Sao possible, if we can get better, he is a good player, but just does silly things, maybe Cartwright and a better, fitter side will help.

Fash I'd keep for another year, easy to say get rid, but the you have to replace him domestically, which as we all know isn't easy.

Like Lane, Fash, hopefully won't be an automatic pick next season.

As soon as we lose a couple we're into kids or outside backs playing in the forwards