Have to agree Pete the timing of both Salford coming out asking for an early advance and now Cas with their ground development I would say isn't just coincidental. We lose points due to having another team in the same City and the pixel size is not good enough on the 2 UEFA approved screens yet Cas are given a Grade A then announce not long after their stand won't be going ahead just yet. As you say you can't help but be sceptical and with genuine reason.

The whole game from top to bottom is a mess and the RFL with such a quick decision on handing over the money so easily to Salford you have to question if they have actually done any due diligence in to the financial risks and also any penalties that should be imposed on Salford.
The IMG situation seems to be just another in the long list on money loosing ideas that the game can ill afford and any real value that the grading system had for me has been blown out the water with this latest news.

You have to ask who has been doing the auditing of the clubs...... Stevie Wonder perhaps

I think the recent posts on here regarding the Salford situation do sum up why our game is struggling and it's not just one particular thing. The clubs were concerned about Salford's long term stability and yet the RFL jump straight in and grant them the cash they were seeking. Time will tell whether it's the right or wrong decision but it shows that the clubs and the RFL aren't in alignment. Not just on this but pretty much on everything.

We can all criticise the RFL over their decision making and incompetence through the years but a lot of the time it seems to me that it's the clubs themselves causing issues, that they have too much power over the sport hence all the constant chopping and changing of formats. Case in point, Batley's proposal to reinstate promotion and relegation again after only just changing the format to a grading system. It would not surprise me if it passes and then next year another motion is put forward scraping it that also gets passed.

Whatever people's thoughts are on IMG, it doesn't matter whether it is them or another marketing company or someone like an Eddie Hearn as rumoured a few years back, unless the governing body and the clubs learn to unite under a common goal of betterment of the sport as opposed to what increasingly looks like self interest, we will continue to struggle.

The whole situation smacks of short-termism, the kind of which is rife throughout the sport. The game seems to exist on a day to day, hand to mouth policy.
I suspect the reason why Salford have been bailed out is due to the governing bodies being fearful of the wider consequences for the game if a club were to go under, without an obvious replacement, especially at this late stage in the year.
Whether they have simply kicked the can down the road for a short period only time will tell, but reading between the lines it sounds like this advanced loan will only get Salford over a short-term bump in the road. It doesn't indicate that this is going to solve their underlying longer term issues. Who's to say Salford won't be back in 6/9 months time with the same predicament?

You get the feeling the RFL are afraid we could end up with a 6-8 team competition, hence why Salford and Castleford are being given leeway which would, on the surface, seem to go against the current (IMG) philosophy of long-term sustainability. It's certainly difficult to escape the feeling that some clubs have been keeping aspects of their operation under wraps, away from scrutiny, until such time they feel their place in the structure is safe.
Either way, the news stories surrounding Salford and Castleford once more give an impression of a sport bumbling along, temporarily fixing the holes in the dam, hoping that eventually all will magically fall into place.
It certainly makes our problems with over-large pixel screens seem fairly inconsequential, that's for sure!

A lot of assumptions here with 0 evidence. The clubs didn’t want Salford to go bust and Salford have obviously submitted a plan to the RFL. I’d be fairly confident there is some evidence that their revenue streams will open up imminently.

If we’re talking about people manipulating IMG pillars. I’d be considering Leigh. Rumours are an owner put money into a club and then after gradings withdrew it.

Clubs cash shoots up from 68k to £761k
Assets increase from 296k to 1.64 million

I can’t see how that’s the case unless he’s suddenly deposited a ton £££ and/or valuing players at ridiculous amounts (if they class as an asset).

I don’t blame Beaumont if he’s done it, seen a loop hole and middle 8’s shafted him so he’s seen a chance to secure his clubs future.

completely agree with this. As soon as the clubs "pulled out", it was clear to me that some clubs were already considering saying no, which explains the quick statement and RFL intervention. Bearing in mind that they had been making a 'presentation of investment and growth' to present and show what theyd achieve in the coming months but still yet need 500k? They could have claimed they were digging for gold in Salford Quays and were close to hitting the jackpot, and they’d still have received the money.

It just reeks of kicking the can down the road. This is also Salford’s second time asking for this, which makes it feel like they’re exploiting the RFL's goodwill. I’ll bet anyone who disagrees that we’ll see Salford try to exploit it again.

Funny how Castleford claimed they were "ready to build" the stadium and even pushed for grading based on it being imminent. Yet now, it looks like we won’t see a shovel in the ground until late 2026. It’s making an absolute mockery of the framework. Clubs should face consequences for this sort of behaviour, surely? There’s bound to be a Championship owner somewhere licking their lips, ready to pounce on this opportunity.

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Great article

I have to admit to not being keen on the Myler appointment I couldn't understand it until things started to unfold and the reasoning behind it became clear. However now I have to eat my words because instead of an untried ex player of dubious character (my words I'm afraid) I find myself buoyed by his talking of connecting with the fans, building again and getting the soul back in the club. What's more, now he's been here a few months it's become obvious that he walks what he talks and his claims actually start to ring true. He'll make the tough decisions and doesn't seems to harbour the sentimental retentions and old pals act that has troubled our club in the past. We have hung onto 'nice guys' far too long.

It also appears that our new owner has craved the involvement and action he as never allowed in his position at Leeds (no doubt by Mr Etherington and co) and yet brings a massive business head and commercial nouse (and loads of money) right to the top of the club. I think he will now be considering the need for a Chief Executive and pondering whether using Adam or having a clean sweep with someone new who is experienced in that position being appointed, is the best way forward. to protect the new boards interest It would be the latter for me, despite the fact that I will ever remember Adam for what he has done for us and the great days he brought us. We need a fresh start with no baggage.

Its good too to see that with Dan back off his holidays there are three really insightful and interesting articles in the paper today he tells me that he finds the new regime coach, football manager etc. easy to talk to and accessible. This is again a step forward for me because as stakeholders in the club and with for most of us a lifelong love affair with them, all we really want is the passion and wanting of the terraces to be reflected on the pitch and an open and honest interaction between the club and ourselves. We understand that confidentiality is needed at times but don't want empty promises inflated rhetoric to suit season ticket sales and promises of jam tomorrow just honesty on and off the field.

I remember as many on here do the time we brought Brian Smith into a broken and busted club, he brought in three or four unknown Aussies and was realistic from day one. After 4 games it was played 4 lost four but he went out on Humberside the day after the last loss and said to the fans just hold the line with us we will get there. We backed him and the rest is history. The problem after three glorious seasons was that we didn't as a club have the finance in the boardroom to meet the requirements going forward but spent the money anyway and a period of slump followed. That in this case is not going to happen, we have the money and more important the business acumen right at the top but other similarities with the Smith era and today are for me quite striking.

It's going to be tough at times and we'll lose more than we win but I'm looking forward to next season when I never thought I ever would be! We could all club and fans be on a journey together and that's exciting.

PS Some really thought promoting and insightful posts on this thread of late but don't get me on clubs allegedly fiddling the IMG stuff there seems to be a new revelation every day reading about the Leigh stuff yesterday and the Cas stuff the day before is just appalling really, but our administration has no control.

OT I know but it’s off season - saw the following on FBook

Not a single rovers fan has ever texted anyone about a major trophy win as
Text was only launched in 1992

lol it’s 40 years this season for the filthy
scumbags

27-26 at OT in the mini GF v Oldham after being 26-0 up at HT
0-1 at home to Barrow
Million pound loss to Salford
0-50 CC lol lol
16-17 was just as good as the pain was hard lol
GF sucker punch
The list goes on

I hope the clubs have put conditions on that advance money, otherwise the Red Devils will sign another player they can't afford.

To be fair to Myler even without the investment connections I thought the reaction to his ‘inexperience’ in that type of role was a bit over the top anyways. I think we all expected a Brian Noble type character with decades of experience when the role was first mentioned but a lot of clubs have gone for not long retired players in similar roles. Fitzpatrick and Radlinski spring to mind there’s probably more. Myler comes across as a man who knows what makes a successful environment and that’s exactly what we needed.

Regarding Salford.

I'm not sure what the rules and regulations are around situations such as these, but I wonder if it would be circumspect for a two point penalty deduction to be imposed? There are usually sanctions imposed if a club enters administration, and whilst that isn't the case here, there has to be some form of deterrent applied or what's to stop any of the other clubs asking for an advance.

Whatever the underlying reasons for the situation, Salford have dug themselves into a hole of their own making and/or mismanagement and there should be a price to pay of some kind I would have surmised.

Great Post Wilf, as ever (You must have risen about 5am in order to start typing the latest epic!! )

Agree about next season. I'm also far more enthused than I have been for a number of years. We, as a club, still have an incredible amount of work to do before we can be serious challengers again, and I still think next year will be a hard grind to watch (I will be astonished if we were to win even half of our games), but for the first time in a long while we are once more giving the impression of being a serious club with a clear plan of action and people in the positions of authority who look like they have clear ideas of how to get our great club moving in an upwards direction once again.

Only time will tell how far we are going to go (it always does in the end!) but the Fc rollercoaster is open for business again! Like you say Wilf, it's a journey we are on (journey for a lifetime for most of us on here), a journey all together, a journey which may be exciting, hair-raising, with even still the odd car crash on the way, but one thing's for sure, because it's Hull Fc it won't be dull, it never is with us