I hear a lot about Ligi and Fash getting roasted. But for me, they're a couple of our good ens that put a shift in.

Disciplinary means nothing these days, every team is getting stung on that front.

It's our lack of creativity in the attacking zone that's my issue with the team. We got a couple of wins and some improved performances when we had a couple of proper half-backs in there in Truman and Reynolds, but both of them have come and gone now. Leaving us again with what we started the season with, nothing.

To be fair the Okunbor youtube highlights reel took some finding.

Fash gained 4m on average on Saturday, that's not putting a shift in. If he wasn't born in Hull, he wouldn't be on our team, crazy he's vice captain

Fash's attitude and work rate has been up there with the best of our players over the last 3 or 4 seasons. This season he missed out on the first half. Don't know how much of a pre-season he got, but a pre-season is important for any player. He's still come back and you can see him working hard in defence. Even if he's not at peak right now. Fash is the least of our problems.

fash wouldnt be in my fc team next year,not big enough or skillful enough,to be a good side one of the main things you need is stabilty and cohesion at halfback.we have had anything but.right from the first game when we had 2 hookers occupying 6 and 7.not good.its not got any better all season.as someone as said the only time we ve looked anything like at halfback is when trueman and reynolds were at half did we look at all cohesive.when reynolds left i still dont think enough effort was put in to replace him.we deserve what we are ending up with.i cant see us winning another game.even if we were able to tighten defence up,i repeat what ive said before,wheres the points coming from.

Best thing about Okunbor is looking at other players highlights. He always seems to show up with a clanger

Opocic wouldn"t be be a bad signing and would be much better value than Carlos, he would improve is defensively, just doesn't seem to an exciting centre or signing that we need.

We'd more than likely play him on the left too, which is where he played for Parra

Has Opocic been injured or just fell out of favour ?

Out of favour. Think it was always going to happen once they shifted Hiku to centre

Fash made 47m off 11 carries. Made 18 tackles with 3 missed at weekend. Make your own mind up from that for a forward

Milford been told he's not wanted at the dolphins next year

Attitude, effort and work rate are all great things, but if you’re not having a significant impact on the game you’re not worth the a place in the team.

At 28, Fash will be in his peak years as a prop. He had a full pre season as far as I’m aware.

Our lack of creativity is the biggest problem at the minute, along with leadership. Sao and Fash are not the ‘leaders’ we need. Closer to liabilities than leaders.

Not surprised, he's garbage

Do we replace Trueman's legs, with Milford's hamstrings?