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| Quote: Standee "but where does the increased cash go?'"
Back into the club. New training facilities. Academy. Directors won't be able to take a dividend for years anyway due to our negative P&L reserves.
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| if anderson is such a great coach,why are parramatta getting rid?
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I'm an accountant, and like the fact we're making money. But in the days of the salary cap when the worth of all squads at the full cap is much of a muchness, it's not rocket science to establish that the coach is the key differentiator. Chuck in the fact that we still have untapped potential in terms of attendances (If we were top of the tree, I reckon we could average 15,500 ish) and the fact that when we do get to a final the retail turnover goes through the roof, and I just don't understand why we don't go for a world class coach as, if he were successsful, it would pay for itself.
I've posted this a lot on these boards over the last few years and e-mailed the same to James Rule who said he disagreed about the coach being the differentiator and in his opinion it was the squad. I'm not cynical, I can just see it happening that Nathan Brown is OOC at Huddersfield next season, there are no standout British coaches to target and Daniel Anderson is in all likelihood out of a job. With Ken Davy there propping up eye-watering losses already, why wouldn't he make Anderson an offer if he wants to take an already very good Huddersfield team to the next level? In the meantime we'll muddle through with Agar, maybe scrape the 8 given the improvements others have made and have a big turnover of marquee players for another "Season of Promise II" in 2012. Won't stop me going, as supporting FC is what I do, but compare the shape and cohesion of Wigan this year vs last and it's very frustrating. Until the penny drops that you a top drawer coach is required to deliver silverware at this level and a plan is put in place to get one, the most success we can hope for is a top 4 finish and a lucky run in the cup IMO. Bit depressing but there you are.'"
This is basically the argument I was saying for the last three years of Cullen's reign at Warrington, ie we had everything ready on and off the field, including a top squad, the only factor missing was a top coach.
However in Wire there was a lot of support for Cullen, so there were always counter arguments, "Injury crisis", "he needs experienced backroom staff around him", "its not the coach its the team, the coach doesn't drop balls or miss tackles", "too many pension hunting Aussies like Monaghan and King"
Eventually we got Tony Smith in, the injury crises cleared up, James Lowes became a great assistant coach, the team stopped dropping balls and missing tackles, and the pension hunting Aussies became two of the best players in SL. We also won two Challenge Cups.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Back into the club. New training facilities. Academy. Directors won't be able to take a dividend for years anyway due to our negative P&L reserves.'"
Do you honestly believe there is any appetite to invest, I dont see it, we hear all the right noises and nothing happens, we'll keep paying buttons for Ionians and putting positive spin in the media.
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| he's definitely gone now
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Parramata finished in 12th this year, down from 8th and a grand final appearance the year before.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Beg to differ. Let's say we get a coach costing £100k more a year than Agar, whatever that is and he gets us to a final. Challenge Cup Final appearance is worth £250k to us according to Rule taking into account the merchandise sales, competition money etc, and that's before increased attendances for the following season. I can't see why we don't/won't go for a top class coach in that context.'"
Buying a ticket doesn't necessarily win you the prize. There is also the rarely made argument that Agar isn't useless and has done a reasonable job pulling you through a (possibly unplanned) transitional period - even reaching a final along the way.
The Tony Smith at Wire argument is a compelling one, but I think Agar did enough this year (16 SL victories) to buy a bit of breathing space.
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| Quote: Standee "who said it was a risk?
The fact is, we could increase what we spend, but it wouldn't generate the same amount of income, Hul FC is a business, nothing else (to the power people), we have to accept that as fans.'"
I really do not get your point Standee?
The only significant increase of 'cost' would be the coach.
If that coach can bring greater on field success, then (most probably) the gate (and the sale of merchandise) would go up. Keeping an unsuccessful coach, could well see the gate (and the sale of merchandise) go down.
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| Quote: Isaiah "I really do not get your point Standee?
The only significant increase of 'cost' would be the coach.
If that coach can bring greater on field success, then (most probably) the gate (and the sale of merchandise) would go up. Keeping an unsuccessful coach, could well see the gate (and the sale of merchandise) go down.'"
My point is that the current board are quite happy as they are, unless we all stop turning up they will never invest more than they can get away with.
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| The financial success at the club is like a house of cards, built on a large group of layal fans. Sustained mediocrity would soon jeopardise the financial model. The small amounts of profit we make would soon disappear if crowds and/or merchandise sales dropped even a relatively small amount
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| Ooh, look, Sulky McSulk's arrived. Yikes, Mild Rover, 3 registered users and 2 guests online on the Rovers board. Looks like you're missing the "X Factor" over there
Is he in his big leather boots?
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| We all know that as a club we need a top class coach but don't think D.Anderson would come as he went back for his kids sake .
We need a coach who can get the players backing and to learn them the basics how to back up,run lines,tackle and try the unexpected .
A coach with more than one game plan, does not have favorites and has a game plan that both first team and under 20's play to, so that when you promote a player they don't look like a fish out of water for first 4/5 games.
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| Maybe it's not the money???
I think a TOP Australian coach or even an ordinary/unknown one with a strong personality would be unlikley to accept the way things are run at FC. Hence if we were able to get a "reforming" coach then everything would be open for change and that coach would be be given/take control of the direction of the club. I think that's what our current controllers are afraid of. Agar is very much associated with the playing side and from what I've seen doesn't get involved in much else. People like Maguire , Smith , Anderson and even Morgan are seen to be much more than the guy that coaches the players, they are the club and influence everything it does. Imagine someone like Gus Gould here? I don't think our board can!
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| Quote: ChrisH "Maybe it's not the money???
I think a TOP Australian coach or even an ordinary/unknown one with a strong personality would be unlikley to accept the way things are run at FC. Hence if we were able to get a "reforming" coach then everything would be open for change and that coach would be be given/take control of the direction of the club. I think that's what our current controllers are afraid of. Agar is very much associated with the playing side and from what I've seen doesn't get involved in much else. People like Maguire , Smith , Anderson and even Morgan are seen to be much more than the guy that coaches the players, they are the club and influence everything it does. Imagine someone like Gus Gould here? I don't think our board can!'"
for "our board" read Kath and Jim Lad, they want to control the train set, it's as simple as that.
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