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It is not 10,000 jobs for Hull. misleading headlines yet again.
The actual manufacturing facility will generate a few hundred at most.

the jobs created are in fact all going to be payed for by all of us in massivly increased fuel bills and taxes.
The companies involved in manufacturing the turbines are all european, these companies are receiving MASSIVE grants (our taxes) from the UK government to produce these turbines, hence all the money is leaving these shores.
The power companies are forced by the government to purchase a percentage of their power from so called 'green' energy sources at exhorbitant rates, these costs again are passed onto us.
this whole thing is a myth!!

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Quote: VerbalKint "The power companies are forced by the government to purchase a percentage of their power from so called 'green' energy sources at exhorbitant rates, these costs again are passed onto us.'"

The energy sources [iare[/i green. Whether they're efficient enough is another question.

Quote: VerbalKint "this whole thing is a myth!!'"

Nah - it's deffo happening. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: VerbalKint "It is not 10,000 jobs for Hull. misleading headlines yet again.
The actual manufacturing facility will generate a few hundred at most.

the jobs created are in fact all going to be payed for by all of us in massivly increased fuel bills and taxes.
The companies involved in manufacturing the turbines are all european, these companies are receiving MASSIVE grants (our taxes) from the UK government to produce these turbines, hence all the money is leaving these shores.
The power companies are forced by the government to purchase a percentage of their power from so called 'green' energy sources at exhorbitant rates, these costs again are passed onto us.
this whole thing is a myth!!'"


Whilst I actually agree with the gist of your point in regard to renewable energy cost the fact is that the Government has provided incentive for companies to invest in UK infrastructure. It remains good news for the region because if it hadn't been Hull it would have been somewhere else and you would still have been paying more for your energy, just not seeing the new jobs benefiting the local economy. If you want to have a real carp about misplaced taxpayers money look more towards the billions of UK taxpayers cash wasted by unelected eurocrats over in Brussels. At least this extra money we're paying is creating new business.

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the myth is that thousands of turbines will solve our energy needs, they wont.

My point was every KW of green energy is costing us upto 6 times more than regular. the power companies are forced to buy green energy and the costs are passed onto us.

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Quote: Staffs FC "Whilst I actually agree with the gist of your point in regard to renewable energy cost the fact is that the Government has provided incentive for companies to invest in UK infrastructure. It remains good news for the region because if it hadn't been Hull it would have been somewhere else and you would still have been paying more for your energy, just not seeing the new jobs benefiting the local economy. If you want to have a real carp about misplaced taxpayers money look more towards the billions of UK taxpayers cash wasted by unelected eurocrats over in Brussels. At least this extra money we're paying is creating new business.'"


agree, it will have a good knock on effect to other business's in the area. But funding jobs through grants and taxes just does not work, its basic economics, one of the main reasons the economy is in such a state is the massively increased public sector and the ever deminishing private sector. less and less people paying the taxes to pay for government spending.

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Quote: VerbalKint "agree, it will have a good knock on effect to other business's in the area. But funding jobs through grants and taxes just does not work, its basic economics, one of the main reasons the economy is in such a state is the massively increased public sector and the ever deminishing private sector. less and less people paying the taxes to pay for government spending.'"


Again I agree with you. But on this occasion the incentives are for a private (albeit German) company to invest in the UK. You are preaching to the converted when suggesting that it will be the private sector, as ever, that turns around the economy.

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Quote: VerbalKint "the myth is that thousands of turbines will solve our energy needs, they wont.'"

Not many people actually believe that. Unfortunately the wind power lobby has been very successful in convincing policy-makers that they have the best short-term solution.

Quote: VerbalKint "My point was every KW of green energy is costing us upto 6 times more than regular. the power companies are forced to buy green energy and the costs are passed onto us.'"

I don't have a problem with the move to renewables - it makes sense on a number of levels. It's not being handled well though.

The costs [ishould[/i eventually come down once more efficient technologies are adopted.

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Quote: Staffs FC "You are preaching to the converted when suggesting that it will be the private sector, as ever, that turns around the economy.'"

Actually it'll be, as ever, the private and public sectors working together that will turn around the economy. Neither works well in isolation.

Not forgetting that it was the private sector that torpedoed the economy in the first place. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Kosh "Actually it'll be, as ever, the private and public sectors working together that will turn around the economy. Neither works well in isolation.

Not forgetting that it was the private sector that torpedoed the economy in the first place.
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It was a particular arm of the private sector that fired the torpedo - not all of it. Just 6 months after the then Prime Minister had lauded it too. And yes of course the Public sector will contribute to the economic recovery as waste is removed and it once again becomes affordable icon_wink.gif

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Quote: EAST HULL RED "I wish it was but read it again mate'"


Ah well, 800 is better than 0. I'd hope that they might recruit a lot of the mobile engineers from Hull too to cover the installations. Fingers crossed anyway.

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Just as a warning, Siemens made a big investment in a site in the North East to make microchips, it only stayed open a few months and was then mothballed when the market collapsed.

So, on the face of it great news, but it should not be seen as a solution to the regions problems on it's own.

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Quote: Kosh "Actually it'll be, as ever, the private and public sectors working together that will turn around the economy. Neither works well in isolation.

Not forgetting that it was the private sector that torpedoed the economy in the first place.
I think the Private sector would work very well in isolation, they are the ones that actually generate the wealth, the ones that actually manufacture things to sell to the rest of the world, not the millions of paper shuffling rubber desk johnny bureaucrats that produce nothing and are payed for out of private sector taxes.

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Quote: Staffs FC "
And now we have a chancellor who is on record as saying that we should have followed the Irish economic model. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: VerbalKint "I think the Private sector would work very well in isolation'"

Then you don't understand how economies work. Or countries for that matter.

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Quote: Kosh "And now we have a chancellor who is on record as saying that we should have followed the Irish economic model.
We ran out of money I'm afraid - it generally happens one way or another under that particular regime. Credit seemed so trendy - the private sector banks offering it and the Government in deep debt before the banks crashed. The Government failed in its duty to adequately regulate the banks who of course behaved disgracefully. And yes - it is one particular section of the private sector - unless of course you think those of us in areas such as manufacturing were also selling complex fraudulent 'investment vehicles'.

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