Well, under the previous regime Green, Bowden, Shaul, Lineham and Crooks wouldn't have played a single game. We'd have loaned players from Leeds.

still in the playoffs and appeared in the Wembley CC final, am sure fans of a lot of other clubs would live with that "disappointment"

I think some people need a reality check

and I completely agree with that, but in the cold light of day we still aren't winning any more games than when we bused in loanees from Leeds are we?

even the much maligned Agar got us to a CC final, and we didn't play as woefullyin 2008 as we did on Saturday.

and getting to the playoffs is all good and well if you're actually going to do something when we get there, the fact is most important games we flop spectacularly, and the only hope we have is frustrating teams with our defence and keeping the score down because our attack is so inept.

Yet no one can actually come up with any specifics or figures to back up these claims, or can they?

I'm aware we've moved our set up from Brantingham/Gordon Street to YPI and Bishop Burton. However these venues already existed, so what specific investment has the club made in them is surely a fair question to those that claim significant money has been made in our infrastructure.

True, but these players are gaining experience and Hull FC will benefit from the experience these young guys are getting, another season or so and these players will undoubtedly get even better which will be great of us. Previously the only beneficiaries were Leeds.

To be fair that was Peter Sharp's team. Agar hadn't had much chance to destroy it at that time.

none so blind as those that refuse to see

Nobody is refusing to see. Just asking what appears to be reasonable questions that some (those that claim investment has been made) are finding difficult to answer! after all this is what a forum is for surely.

And I suppose the opposite Devils Advocate question would be how can you prove no invest has been made?

True, but if we finish eighth is that acceptable? Reaching the Challenge Cup final was an achievement but it can't totally gloss over a poor league season.

We may have taken at least a point off everyone but Huddersfield and Wigan but we've also dropped at least a point to everyone apart from Salford. Too many unacceptable results this season: Rovers and Wakefield at home, Widnes, London, Cas, Catalans, Bradford away.

I'm not finding anything "difficult to answer", I believe the investment has happened, but as a private individual AP doesn't have to let us know exactly what he has, or indeed hasn't, invested.

IF people believe we are no better off under AP than Kath and Rule then fair enough, I think we are miles better off. Are we where I want to be, no, I never rated Holdsworth but, from what we are told, we went all out for Chase and it didn't come off, Lynch has had an awful season, Briscoe looks disinterested, is that Gentle's fault, I am not sure.....

You're spot on fella I can't but surely that's not the point. People continually claim that significant investment has been made, which was lacking during the previous regime's tenure. But no one can actually come up with any specifics other that saying Bishop Burton. Now I've been to the venue to watch a few games and it's a very nice set up, however I don't know what the club has really done there.

Money details will never be made public. Have you ever looked at the club website?

These rltworl rlarticlesrl picked at random look pretty impressive to me.

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Look the questions are not just being aimed at you I'm asking them in general to anyone who gives a stuff about this sort of thing. It's clear you do as do I and you're correct we are better off with AP than Uncle Kath. However the one thing I will never do is to stop asking questions of those who run the club we all love.