i sleep alot but when did u beat saints in a challenge cup final ?

Hard to choose I dislike KR and I hope they lose every game but the reality is I have lots of friends who support KR and I respect their passion.

I fecking hate Rhinos, they are the most arrogant people I have encountered in RL! They are the same at amateur level as well, I have no respect for them what so ever

I hate Hull Fc: They've taken over my life for the last 35 years; brainwashed the wife and kids to also support them, cost me thousands and thousands of pounds and caused me to shed many a tear, be-it through the pain of losing or the ecstasy of the occasional win. My holidays/work/social schedules all revolve around this team.

I rest my case your honour.

Other than that it's the Dobbins then Leeds in that order.

"let them hate us, so long as they fear us". Cicero

What exactly is 'arrogant' about Leeds and Warrington? This hatred stuff has little logic about it. For instance, I share your fondness for the London side but many fans 'hate' them as they believe them to be favoured by the RL - delusional in itself.

Maybe a more beneficial discussion would be what are the pro's and con's of all 14 SL clubs and their fans. We base quite a lot of our opinions purely based on fans but seeing the bigger picture and describing what you like anc dislike about every team could be a better eye opener.

Bagsy me to start:

Wire...moan for hours about a couple of quid

Hull FC charging Swiss prices for everything :-p

Hull KR
daylight
Wigan
more daylight
whoever is annoying at the time probably Leeds at the moment thanks to Ryan Bailey and the ignorant and arrogant fans amongst their number.

HKR is an obvious one but the extra contribution of Hudgell, one of the slimiest, small minded, petty, dishonest persons that has ever existed needs acknowledgement. For all the rivalry we have had with the dobbins you could always recognise previous team and board members as human beings (albeit misguided) and I was quite happy to drink in their pubs, etc. Hudgell I wouldn't pee on if he was on fire.

And talking of slippery individuals the only person close to Hudgell was Maurice Lindsay and the serial cheating he did at Wigan and then for them when he was at the RL. Add the arrogance, sense of entitlement and complete blindness to their cheating of the Wigan fans and they stand out.

Strangely with Leeds I had more dislike for them in the 80's and 90's when they bought everything and won nothing. Nowadays, though it pains me to say it, they are a very well run club who we could learn a few things from, especially regarding player development.

And yet no-one hates/dislikes Saints.

I never used to dislike Warrington but I do now because their fans now come across as really arrogant, a la Leeds and (to a lesser extent these days) Wigan. St Helens I don't perceive as arrogant - I think this is the differentiating factor.

Perhaps we come over to the Wakey fans as being arrogant with our sweeping dismissal of Agar. WE know why (and I personally feel very sorry for Wakey fans) but they don't - yet - and I think that's what's induced their current hatred of us.

Obviously I hate Rovers, but this is genetic passed on from my father and cultivated growing up in Threepenny. An anomaly.

Please do read my post again

If i wanted to refer directly to the antics of your lot id mention being convicted of a cowardly act of beating a man unconscious, then walking back to him and kicking him the head, then to avoid conviction and a spell in the big house he claimed he thought he was in "Afgan fighting for Queen and country again, he forgot where he was"

That worm has never seen service, it is an insult to the innocent thousands who have suffered defending our nation and paid a very heavy price. And not forgetting the countless families devastated by war.

So dumb dumb, please read my post again and realise that i dont like you lot, i was brought up nit to like you, but hate is a strong word, yes i'd love to see you close and the house of cards fall around Hudgills ears. But i dont hate you

I pity you

I think Saints aren't hated much because most people recognise that their achievements have been done in a mostly straightforward and open manner. No favourable SL decisions, no flagrant cap cheating (I know there were a couple of minor issues but they are hardly in Wigan or Wire's class) and no outrageous quota fiddles and dispensations. Add to that they play an attractive game and give British players a chance so their is little reason for dislike beyond obvious rivalry.

Show me anywhere an instance of Wire infringing the salary cap

and their fans are gracious in defeat and victory, if you ignore ROMMELL then St's are a great bunch of supporters, unlike the arrogant numpties from Wire and L**ds.

a simple link to your squad covers it, there's more sharp practice at Wire than any other club in the game, but you've just proved the arrogance point for everyone to read.