Christ we are 4 years down the line now and he has been assistant coach for more than 2 years of them.I will reserve judgement until next season when he has his own team in place.

all these people reserving judgement blah blah blah, would YOU get so much time to prove yourself at YOUR job, or would you have been shown the door a while ago?

Getting rid of Agar is a vote for Sharp, good luck with that.

It shouldn't be viewed that way, we need rid of both, whilst we still have any shred of credability as a club.

You and I both know if RA goes the JS will take over, I would like a complete change but it won't happen. The board will tell JS to carry on implementing RA's plans for the squad and JS will take over the coaching.

How long has Sharp got on his contract (does he even have a contract?)

2 year contract wasn't it?

rl2 Years from December 2008rl

Wouldn't cost a lot to bin him, surely?

And Agar too though. God knows how much they are on or what it would take. Still think Agar will be in charge next season, he is being given the chance to build and shape his squad.

They better be ready for low pass sales then, most people I speak to have had enough.

I think a fairer comparison (in response to the opening post) would be:

If Agar and Nathan Brown had swapped places at the start of the season, what positions would their respective clubs be in now?

Hudds have a similar strength squad to ours on paper - if not slightly weaker - but they are infinitely better coached.

It is worrying really having the knowledge that supposedly Agar selected all the signings and they came because of him. Esecially when in the next 2 weeks if we lose against wakey and salford he should be facing the boot. For me he is already half way along the plank and only the signings being anounced have stop everyone calling for his head.

I think we are in dire straits when many of us are 'comfortable' with the option of leaving Agar in charge until he "has his own team"

Like i have said before all coaches are in the same boat taking over teams with players they maybe wouldn't have but they are still expected to improve and get results......which we are simply not doing under Agar....in fact i'd argue we are going to far the other way and are getting worse.

I see nothing now in his coaching, tactics, game plan etc to install me with any confidence for next year...despite the players we are signing.....all you have to do is look at Warrington....on paper they had some excellent players but the coaching set up wasn't right.

When Saints took a punt on Millward (who was highly rated by Graham Murray) he revolutionised the game in Britain by turning the dummy half into a massive yardage maker, attacking through the ruck area using lighter and more mobile forwards and increasing the skill-set of players so that they could be employed in unusual positions to devastating effect. When Anderson arrived he revolutionised the game in terms of defence. In his first season he brought his NZ Warriors tactics with him - employing a massive (but highly mobile) set of forwards to smash the opposition at the gain line. At times it was almost impossible to make more than thirty yards per set of six vs Saints. Potter is another highly rated Australian coach who slowly turning Saints around to his own style of play.

Saints have consistently invested in QUALITY COACHING - with successive coaches building on the work of his predecessor - and it has consistently paid dividends. All of the above earned their spurs in the NRL where the best techniques and practice are continuously applied, so much so that it is viewed almost as a science.

Agar is a product of the British coaching system, which is renowned for failure after failure. Which goes a long way toward explaining Hull's current predicament.