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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Feel free to enlighten us'"
Which part of "not in the public domain" do you not get?
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| Quote: Standee "Which part of "not in the public domain" do you not get?'"
Cough
Quote: Standee "So, bsically, you are full of it? No problem, you're not on your own.?'"
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Cough'"
I said from the beginning that it wasn't information that is in the public domain, I'm hardly going to betray cofidences and start posting things on here. There are a number of people that know the same information from different sources.
Anyway, keep prattling on about how crap Rule is when you don't even really understand his role a the club, or his abilities to fulfill it.
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| Quote: Standee "Which part of "not in the public domain" do you not get?'"
Yet you want him to reveal his company's name?
Will you reveal yours?
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| Quote: Standee "
Anyway, keep prattling on about how crap Rule is when you don't even really understand his role a the club, or his abilities to fulfill it.'"
Is the club in a better postition now than it was when he took over?
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| Quote: Hull Kingston Convicts "Yet you want him to reveal his company's name?
Will you reveal yours?'"
It's not relevant to this conversation, the fact I have managed stadia and been involved with major sporting events is, which is the position from which I am commenting.
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| Quote: Standee "It's not relevant to this conversation, the fact I have managed stadia and been involved with major sporting events is, which is the position from which I am commenting.'"
So you have done every job on the planet!
You must be sooooo old!
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| Quote: Hull Kingston Convicts "So you have done every job on the planet!
You must be sooooo old!
Not at all, but hey, keep the idiotic posts coming.
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| Quote: Standee "Not at all, but hey, keep the idiotic posts coming.'"
did you miss that old chap?
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "You miss the point completely. To my knowledge, rule has never run any company, let alone one turning over a not insubstantial amount, employing dozens of people. What exactly is his business/finance background?'"
Sorry but you are missing the point of the OP & obviously fail to understand the true role of a CEO in an organisation.
Rule is amply qualified to organise a small - medium sized business such as Hull FC, do your own research and check out his credentials. Again you do not have to have been a CEO previously to get a job such as this(this works in all walks of life BTW) If you can demonstrate effective management skills & have been successful then there is no reason why someone like that would not be employed. He got the job & his employers thought he was the best person for the role.
Who would you have employed instead & why?
You mention employing dozens of people, well actually that's a Human Resources task generally (with the aid of departmental maanagers etc), few employees will be directly interviewed by a CEO especially when the majority of the employees are specific to a trade where a CEO has not the relevant trade experience (Rugby League in this instance) He will likely oversee the process but not always been involved in every employment opportunity.
DELEGATING is an essential managment skill. If you fail to do this then you get swamped & cannot carry out effectively your role as a supervisor/manager/CEO or any other role where you have responsibility for employees.
A CEO as I've said at least twice now is an organiser, co-ordinator, communicator & decision maker. In the main Rule has fulfilled his task as CEO, yes there are certain things that have gone wrong but how many things have gone wrong that were a direct fault of Rule himself??
I dont know the answer because I'm not involved with the hierachy in Hull FC, however as CEO Rule has taken the responsibility when things have gone wrong that were down to the club as a whole. This doesn't mean that he was directly responsible if another member of staff made a mistake(which humans invariably do) and a fans perception of a mistake(for instance Reardon) isn't always the correct assumption if you do not have all the facts to hand.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Sorry but you are missing the point of the OP & obviously fail to understand the true role of a CEO in an organisation.
Rule is amply qualified to organise a small - medium sized business such as Hull FC, do your own research and check out his credentials. Again you do not have to have been a CEO previously to get a job such as this(this works in all walks of life BTW) If you can demonstrate effective management skills & have been successful then there is no reason why someone like that would not be employed. He got the job & his employers thought he was the best person for the role.
Who would you have employed instead & why?
You mention employing dozens of people, well actually that's a Human Resources task generally (with the aid of departmental maanagers etc), few employees will be directly interviewed by a CEO especially when the majority of the employees are specific to a trade where a CEO has not the relevant trade experience (Rugby League in this instance) He will likely oversee the process but not always been involved in every employment opportunity.
DELEGATING is an essential managment skill. If you fail to do this then you get swamped & cannot carry out effectively your role as a supervisor/manager/CEO or any other role where you have responsibility for employees.
A CEO as I've said at least twice now is an organiser, co-ordinator, communicator & decision maker. In the main Rule has fulfilled his task as CEO, yes there are certain things that have gone wrong but how many things have gone wrong that were a direct fault of Rule himself??
I dont know the answer because I'm not involved with the hierachy in Hull FC, however as CEO Rule has taken the responsibility when things have gone wrong that were down to the club as a whole. This doesn't mean that he was directly responsible if another member of staff made a mistake(which humans invariably do) and a fans perception of a mistake(for instance Reardon) isn't always the correct assumption if you do not have all the facts to hand.'"
I fully understand the role of a CEO and I think you have the wrong end of the stick in terms of employee numbers - I was using it as a guauge to the size of the business, not suggesting the CEO is responsible for the recruitment of each and every one. I was merely saying that a company the size (and stature in the game) of Hull FC should have looked for someone with experience at that level, not the former marketing manager. I'm not saying rule isn't doing an adequate job, however his appointment is indicative of the recent key appointments at the club. As a club we should be looking for the best of the best in key roles, not taking the path of least resistance
As for who I would have appointed into a role 18 months or so ago for which I'm not responsible, I don't have a clue, but what I do know is I'd have gone out to look for someone with a proven track record and paid the going rate for him/her
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I fully understand the role of a CEO and I think you have the wrong end of the stick in terms of employee numbers - I was using it as a guauge to the size of the business, not suggesting the CEO is responsible for the recruitment of each and every one. I was merely saying that a company the size (and stature in the game) of Hull FC should have looked for someone with experience at that level, not the former marketing manager. I'm not saying rule isn't doing an adequate job, however his appointment is indicative of the recent key appointments at the club. As a club we should be looking for the best of the best in key roles, not taking the path of least resistance
As for who I would have appointed into a role 18 months or so ago for which I'm not responsible, I don't have a clue, but what I do know is I'd have gone out to look for someone with a proven track record and paid the going rate for him/her'"
Rule has overseen the award of one of only two grade 'A' licences in SL. Most CEO's at league clubs would see this as probably their highest priority at the moment. The guaranteed income that this level of licence promises for at least the next 9 years allows the club to plan medium to long term in both its on and off field activities. Far from Rule being the wrong man for the job this proves he was infact a good choice as he has delivered to Hull FC what all other clubs aspire to be. The fact that he is young, relatively inexperienced, and therefore probably commands a lower salary then a 'star' name would should be seen as a master stroke by the club and not 'something else' they've got wrong.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Rule has overseen the award of one of only two grade 'A' licences in SL..'"
Bingo!
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Rule has overseen the award of one of only two grade 'A' licences in SL. Most CEO's at league clubs would see this as probably their highest priority at the moment. The guaranteed income that this level of licence promises for at least the next 9 years allows the club to plan medium to long term in both its on and off field activities. Far from Rule being the wrong man for the job this proves he was infact a good choice as he has delivered to Hull FC what all other clubs aspire to be. The fact that he is young, relatively inexperienced, and therefore probably commands a lower salary then a 'star' name would should be seen as a master stroke by the club and not 'something else' they've got wrong.'"
Given that much of the assessment of the licence application related to the period before rule took over (gates, facilities, league position, stronger finances etc.) he can hardly take all of the plaudits can he?
He has also overseen a decline in playing standards, coaching, serious administrative errors, poor player retention and recruitment alongside spats with the local media. If you feel that is good performance then god help us when things go wrong.
We can only speculate where we'd be now if we'd paid top dollar for a "stronger" candidate, but much like paying top dollar for a decent coach (remind me who decided to appoint the inexperienced agar), you give yourselves more chance of success.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Given that much of the assessment of the licence application related to the period before rule took over (gates, facilities, league position, stronger finances etc.) he can hardly take all of the plaudits can he?
He has also overseen a decline in playing standards, coaching, serious administrative errors, poor player retention and recruitment alongside spats with the local media. If you feel that is good performance then god help us when things go wrong.
We can only speculate where we'd be now if we'd paid top dollar for a "stronger" candidate, but much like paying top dollar for a decent coach (remind me who decided to appoint the inexperienced agar), you give yourselves more chance of success.'"
And the award for over-reaction of the night goes to....
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