Never mentioned anything about Gardner, my post was in reply to someone saying Calderwood was one of our top players.

I know 'fook all', please tell me the the points in my post where I have got it completely wrong!

He's played centre many times before.

Think I must have watched a different game to most people. In the game I watched, Calderwood made one mistake when he dropped a high ball (several others (inc Ozzies) did too) but other than that had a fine game.

Roby and him were the only players worth a mention - Calderwood showed plenty of desire and completely showed up Gardner. The fact that Australia scored most of their tries on Gleeson and the wandering Gardner's wing speakes volumes.

And Calderwood seems to have had no raps for running diagonally across the pitch to intercept Slater on Gardner's wing when Gardner was left dithering in Slater's wake. Calderwood forced him to hesitate and had the non-existant back-up been there Slater wouldn't have scored. Instead Calderwood gets slagged for falling on Slater's head - well at least he was there!!

Ok, I know there's not much of a British talent pool to pick from, but I'm starting to think that the best 2 British wingers both play for Hull FC.

Purdham in for Sinfield,Sykes for Senior,Smith for Wellens but that means Walkabout gardner playing

1 Sykes
2-L Smith
3-Pryce/Ellis
4-Gleeson
5-Calderwood.
6-Lizzy/Pryce
7-Burrow
8-Morley
9-Roby
10-Peacock
11-mr peanut head
12-Hock
13-Purdham

Subs

Westwood
Pryce/maguire
Graham
Any bugger.

I thought wCalderwood was ok..the dropped ball should have been taken but after that he did nothing wrong,didnt do nothing startling either...shouldnt have been in that posistion thanks to the daft penaltys we was giving away.

You said a winger should be sound,Calderwood was barring a mistake which should have ben taken...Gardner wasnt sound at all


Hows that for you?

BTW...Would you be having the same conversation if Fox had dropped it.

Iam lucky i can remember when we used to beat the Aussies with real forwards like Dennis Hartley,Mal Reilly,Jimmy Thompson and Johnnie Ward.These kids were frightened of no one,so they were half way there when it came to winning.Real muck and nettles players who would carry the ball through a minefield if you asked them to.Half backs like Millward,Hardisty and Hepworth who could tackle like forwards and directed the players round the pitch.Look at today's pack,Sinfield-ordinary at International level,Morley and Peacock too old,Wilkin more interested in promoting himself and showing the world the contents of his fridge,Gareth Ellis pretty anonymous.I am sick of hearing for the last thirty years that we are catching up,we are not and we never will unless we are prepared to bite the bullet and go back to playing with home grown players in super league.A certain Aussie player said he could not play another year in the N.R.L. and he was thinking of retiring because of the physical aspect of there game but he can play in the super league for a massive contract even though he is at the end of his career.All we are is a pension fund for Aussies who treat our game with contempt but don,t mind taking big bucks for one final pay day.

Where you said Slaters dropped ball cost the Aussies, it was in the 46th minute and we never scored from it, thats one

Ilike d Gilmore mate but think he isnt the player he was.

Just proves that if you play for Sts and Leeds doesnt make you good at international level.

Bolloxs to International rugby...my loyaltys are to Hull FC.

Telegraph match report "Only try-scorer James Roby, Mark Calderwood and James Graham emerged with any real credit." That's him in our top 3 then according to an independent journalist.

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Calderwood I thought did do ok for the rest of the game, Im not denying that but when it came down to him making a bread and butter catch he failed miserably when we needed him most.

Like I first said it's ok making a couple of tackles from square marker or a couple of scoots but you need the player to be solid in the area he plays.

Not on here, maybe on our board.

Thank God! Thought I was going mad!

I know, I was being sarcastic!

Great post, i too am old enough to remember them

I can form my own opinions and again where have I said Calderwood played c**p?