Agree some people still see him as a "youngster" even though he's 25

Hasn't kicked on just a run of the mill player not good enough

That's our problem none of our youngsters last 10 years have been good enough for a top level club academy

Fash got our player of the year but isn't close to a international call up

Wasn't that long ago we had likes of Horne yeaman Cooke King coming through who were international class

A Super League first will occur tomorrow if Hull beat Leeds. Anyone with a memory like Leslie Welch?
Will be watching the match on TV tomorrow morning.

It'd be the first time we've won three away games in a row at Leeds in the Super League era.

That never happened though?

They was left on the bench most of the 2nd half

Ah so your initial post I quoted was hyperbole, gotcha

Wow, doesn't time fly?
10 years ago already that.
We had done the Otley Run in the afternoon courtesy of a hired mini-bus and a nominated driver.
We weren't in a very good condition by the time we reached Headingley and the Skyrack come the evening (an understatement

).
Was gutted when Gaz never made it out for kick-off and think we went on to get well spanked.
3 months re-hab for Gaz but he was to come back to lead us to the Golden Fleece 3 years later, then repeat.
Happy days.

Wow! That is truly Welchesque but not the statistic I was looking for which includes Hull and another team (not Leeds.)

Think Its fair to say even at this early stage this is an acid test game for us to see where we are as a team. Leeds last week looked poor against Warrington, granted Wire looked good but they dominated Leeds down the middle completely. I thought Leeds looked to haveno real direction or cohesion and missing Oledzki & Prior gone they look very vulnerable down the middle. Whilst I don't think Leeds will be as bad as they were last week I still think we should be able to dominate down the middle, as long as we play with the intensity and desire we did in the first half and sort the defence out in terms of stopping off loads and missed tackles.

If we aspire to be one of the competing clubs these are games need to start winning where as in the past we have slipped up and had a tonking ourselves.

Everybody was beating everybody start of last season.
Teams were cr@p one week then hammering someone the next at the start of last season
Would be nice to build some momentum but wouldn't be overshocked if Leeds bounce back and beat us tonight.
Early days.

Would it be the first time, in SL, that both Hull teams win their first two games?

Both Hull teams will be the top 2 in SL for the first time?