He didn't "break the line", he intercepted a long pass and had a free run to the try line, albeit an 80m run.

As for this supposed solidity that he brought to our right hand side, all I saw on Sunday were rovers breaking down our right hand side almost at will (and usually scoring) regardless of whether it was Turner or Martin out there.

He'll do an average job for one year which is what I'd expect from an average player.

If, as AP has stated, we've got £60K left, why on earth didn't we add it to the Martin and Burnett salaries and sign a quality player (centre) instead of two very average players?

As for Turner, he seems to have all the attributes to be a very good player but just isn't. His defence on Sunday was as bad as it has ever been. Maybe playing his last season in a Hull shirt?

I think your right he does have the right attributes, he scored some sublime tries last year, I will be interested to see how he goes under Gentle, I think if he can tighten up defensively he will be an excellent player. I know Bomber rates the lad highly and so do I.

Ye he broke clear of the defensive line, i never said it was a tackle bust or anything else. I said he broke the line, when you intercept a pass or go through a gap or bust a tackle you break through the defensive line.

As for the solidity he brought to our defence i haven't said he did that either. I said for Sharp playing alongside someone like Martin it will improve his positional awarness and defensive attributes. I never said this happened on sunday, I'm saying it will happen over the course of the season.

Everyone was shaking off the cob webs at the weekend hence defensive frailties and timing issues in attack. The right hand side will be stronger this season with Martin in there then it was last season and, I think Sharp will improve no end due to playing outside Martin. Soon as Martin came onto the field he was talking to Sharp directing him telling him where he wanted him etc. Obviously this is just my opinions, everybody entitled to think what they like but, for me having another voice out there and especially down the right will only be beneficial for both the team and Sharp as an individual.

I wasn't quoting you directly about the Martin thing it is just a general opinion on here since Sunday.

Sorry if it came across that way. I like Sharp and would love to see him do really well but the Martin signing is just a very average one IMO, especially when we could have added Burnett's salary +£60K to it and signed some quality.

who was available pin head ?

maybe you could have tempted the ginger harpoon to west hull, top is welham

Oh don't get me wrong i was totally underwhelmed when i heard the signing, i too was hoping it would a been someone younger with pace and power. Thing is i think he'll do better then a lot of people are thinking. I also think the fact it's only a year is good as we get his knowledge and experience of the game, so he can bring the young lads on. Then for next season either one of our young lads will step up or we can sign someone of the correct stature at centre.

He was a fairly late signing and at that time of year there's not too many good players left wanting a club at that stage. Our main targets fullback scrum half etc had been worked on and looked at for most the season and we got our targets. If we are to sign a centre for next season then the search can begin early and we can sign Mr Right on a 2/3 yr deal. Hopefully one of our youngsters will be closer to entering the fray too.

I agree with that. I hope that Sharp is able to really show that he can be a quality winger but our right hand side didn't look good to me at any time during Sunday's game tbh. Turner is frustrating and Martin is just too slow.

Let's hope that it's too early and that many things are going to improve (a lot)

Let's just get behind them eh, not shoot them down. Last thing they need is everyone on there backs from the get go.

There's a whole new structure and everything and everyone needs a little time. If things don't turn out as well as we all hope especially down the right, don't slate them and call for their heads. Get behind them and keep getting behind them to try and raise confidence.

Expro?

Spot on.

You need these guys even if its only to show them the way at training or maybe the correct diets. In my job I may be quicker and more keener then a lot of the older workers but there experience is vital and I constantly learn off them all the time. I see this as no different and the young players like Crooks will be learning off him all the time.

It is one year deal, perfect signing because he fitted under the cap, brings experience and can on his day be a good player. Even if just signing him gives Crooks that bit of competition to help him step up then again it was a good signing. Just because he is 33 or came from Crusaders means nothing at all and the sooner you "experts" out there realize this, the better.

I was underwhelmed at the signing at the time but I think he'll do a decent job for us.

Hopefully Ben Crooks will be ready in a year or so, it would have been an error to sign a centre for, say, two or three years and have Crooks leave the club.

By all accounts Martin is the consumate pro and hopefully the likes of Turner, Crooks, Cunningham and Lynn will all learn something from him this year.

I wouldnt underestimate what he can bring to the playing side either.