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| Quote: number 6 "Time the club finally got ruthless.....aspire to be like Wigan and saints then think like them....knowing when to offload players that are past their best/not good enough'"
It's a fine line though. You don't want to be seen as a club who bins players off early randomly. What has walker done wrong in his time at Hull to be side lined like this? We certainly looked a lot better last season when he played. I guess the issue there is that he's blighted by injuries
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| Good luck to all three. Tindall just not Super League standard ufortuantely. Smith proably stopped us finishing bottom but again not the standard we should be aiming for. I like Walker, he has a bit of X Factor about him but ultimately he's not first choice in any position and there are issues with his injury record.
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| Quote: mwindass "https
It’s been known for a while that all 3 have been offered about to clubs but it’s a bold move if they won’t be given squad numbers and not allowed to be part of the squad if they don’t find a move. People will say it’s positive that the club are being ruthless I can see why that’s a good thing but it’s also a balance keeping players and agents onside.
Walker would still be one of our better players and him and Smith certainly don’t deserve the naughty step treatment IMO, although I don’t claim to know what goes on behind closed doors. Hopefully we are forcing the issue because we’ve got players lined up we want to bring in just don’t see who would be available.
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| That is a fair chunk of cap that's been made available, setting our sights on a big domestic arrival?
Glad we are running with a 30 man squad this season, thought it was a bit ridiculous running with a 40 man one last time round.
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| Quote: DSJ1983 "It’s been known for a while that all 3 have been offered about to clubs but it’s a bold move if they won’t be given squad numbers and not allowed to be part of the squad if they don’t find a move. People will say it’s positive that the club are being ruthless I can see why that’s a good thing but it’s also a balance keeping players and agents onside.
Walker would still be one of our better players and him and Smith certainly don’t deserve the naughty step treatment IMO, although I don’t claim to know what goes on behind closed doors. Hopefully we are forcing the issue because we’ve got players lined up we want to bring in just don’t see who would be available.'"
The key reason they won't be given squad numbers is because they don't count on the cap if we don't.
They all play in positions where we have cover and we have a need for players elsewhere so it's ultimately a matter of cap management.
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| Good call , If only the club had been more decisive in previous seasons , Good luck to all three players .
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| Quote: HU8HFC "That is a fair chunk of cap that's been made available, setting our sights on a big domestic arrival?
Glad we are running with a 30 man squad this season, thought it was a bit ridiculous running with a 40 man one last time round.'"
The article says they don't count on the cap so it's irrelevant to our cap spending ability whether they stay or go
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| Quote: DSJ1983 "It’s been known for a while that all 3 have been offered about to clubs but it’s a bold move if they won’t be given squad numbers and not allowed to be part of the squad if they don’t find a move. People will say it’s positive that the club are being ruthless I can see why that’s a good thing but it’s also a balance keeping players and agents onside.
Walker would still be one of our better players and him and Smith certainly don’t deserve the naughty step treatment IMO, although I don’t claim to know what goes on behind closed doors. Hopefully we are forcing the issue because we’ve got players lined up we want to bring in just don’t see who would be available.'"
No point us keeping players who aren't good enough and we've already replaced. Tindall and Smith are championship players, Walker stood injury prone to be first choice.
Craig Harrison has stitched us up with plenty of duds recently. We've moved a few of his clients on in the past 12/18 months. He's an agent who has taken advantage of a naive CEO and owner.
Walker, Sutcliffe, Trueman, Tindall are all his players. No coincidence he was bigging the club up when Clarke was here, now he's left and Myler is moving on his high earning and underperforming players he's spat his dummy out in the media.
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| Nearly every article at the moment mentions we're still looking to bring in an additional forward. Makes me think we might be in talks with somebody at the moment.
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| All three will be on wages that reflect they should be in 17, maybe walker should be, but not sure he offers value for money (I know we have signed a few that are risks).
But those not counting on the cap, must give us a decent chunk of cap, so I'd hope for a decent calibre of forward like Sutton, Byrne or Bateman.
Shame we can't move Sao on and bring in a centre too. Although then we would need two forwards.
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| Quote: Dave K. "All three will be on wages that reflect they should be in 17, maybe walker should be, but not sure he offers value for money (I know we have signed a few that are risks).
But those not counting on the cap, must give us a decent chunk of cap, so I'd hope for a decent calibre of forward like Sutton, Byrne or Bateman.
Shame we can't move Sao on and bring in a centre too. Although then we would need two forwards.'"
I would guess them moving on is already factored into our recruitment. I'd be surprised if we have a large amount of cap space left, certainly not enough to bring in a top class player
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| Quote: mwindass "No point us keeping players who aren't good enough and we've already replaced. Tindall and Smith are championship players, Walker stood injury prone to be first choice.
Craig Harrison has stitched us up with plenty of duds recently. We've moved a few of his clients on in the past 12/18 months. He's an agent who has taken advantage of a naive CEO and owner.
Walker, Sutcliffe, Trueman, Tindall are all his players. No coincidence he was bigging the club up when Clarke was here, now he's left and Myler is moving on his high earning and underperforming players he's spat his dummy out in the media.'"
But we will be keeping them unless someone matches the wages they’re on.
I’m not saying I disagree with what they’re doing but it’s easy for fans to say stuff like ‘it’s about time we was ruthless with players’ when as someone has already pointed out there’s always a fine line when it comes to agents and reputation amongst players. FWIW I think Harrison still talks well about Hull whenever I’ve heard him speak and represents the likes of Lewis Martin.
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| My thoughts echo what a lot of others are saying. Tough on the players but the right call by the club. It was hard to see where they fit into the new look squad. Walker aside, they aren't really the standard we need to be aiming for, and the thing that counts against Walker is his injury record.
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| Quote: DSJ1983 "But we will be keeping them unless someone matches the wages they’re on.
I’m not saying I disagree with what they’re doing but it’s easy for fans to say stuff like ‘it’s about time we was ruthless with players’ when as someone has already pointed out there’s always a fine line when it comes to agents and reputation amongst players. FWIW I think Harrison still talks well about Hull whenever I’ve heard him speak and represents the likes of Lewis Martin.'"
Have you listened to that House of league pod he was on? Was just a massive dummy spit from him
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| Interesting point in John Cartwright's interview with the HDM: we were in discussions with Jed first before the coaching position became available.
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