Kinda says it all for me....

Quote Scott_HKR="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" To be quite honest, I don't give 2 hoots about Mason, he's been past it for 2-3 years now. If you was trying to really improve your squad he wouldn't have got a second look, Clinton is twice the player Mason is now. My gripe was that you tried to justify having 10 non-British players by stating wigan have 8. Wigan have 5 non fed players and 3 using AGREED dispensation.

Quote Scott_HKR="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" To be quite honest, I don't give 2 hoots about Mason, he's been past it for 2-3 years now. If you was trying to really improve your squad he wouldn't have got a second look, Clinton is twice the player Mason is now. My gripe was that you tried to justify having 10 non-British players by stating wigan have 8. Wigan have 5 non fed players and 3 using AGREED dispensation.

That talks about the quota not non-fed.

We have 5 quota players. End of discussion then is it not?

And for your information mate, Mason and our 300 aussies count as Federation trained, not non-federation.

Quota
Webster
Dobson
Galea
Green
Clinton

Federation
Ben Cockayne
Matt Cook
Craig Hall
Shaun Briscoe
Peter Fox
Ben Fisher - Qualifies due to date joined club, perfectly legal, read the rules
Jason Netherton
Josh Hodgson
Liam Colbon
Scott Wheeldon
Willie Mason - Qualifies due to holding Tongan passport.
Clint Newton - Qualifies due to having English mother, and having English passport.
Michael Vella - Qualifies due to date joined club, perfectly legal, read the rules.

Homegrown - Yes we do have some of these
Kris Welham
Jordan Cox
Liam Watts
Louis Sheriffe
Scott Taylor
Dave Peterson
Rhys Lovegrove - Qualifies as home grown due to age he joined club
Scott Murrell
Sam Latus

It is evident that the RFL allow Tongan etc. players to be counted as Federation trained (as they did PNG players), that is not my fault, that is not Morgan or Hudgell's fault, that is just the way it is.

Anymore questions?

Only for people who don't actually understand the discussion. Or what the Quota is. Or the differences between Quota, Fed Trained, and Non Fed Trained.

That would be you, then.

A couple wrong there nick but nice try.

I understand it, but Mason/Newton are Federation trained due to their passports (RFL sanctioned), Fisher/Vella are Federation due to the rules the RFL put in place about the date the players joined they club, and Lovegrove counts as homegrown due to the age he joined the club (U21).

Then we have our 5 quota players (Galea/Dobbo/Newton/Webster/Green). We have no non-federation players in our squad.

Too true, you should see his words of wisdom on the VT.. apparently our board would never dream of 'operating at full cap' or 'making more than 1 big money signing a season' but apparently Long/Fitzgibbon don't count as big money signings.

So why is Mason federation trained but not Sam Moa?

You bite a bit don't ya lol.



I don't know. Maybe because they can accomodate him without the need to utilise him having a Tongan passport.

Apparently not, as Mason should not qualify as Fed Trained according to the rules you yourself linked to, and Newton is Fed Trained under the same rules as Fisher & Vella.

The point about Mason is that whatever loophole is being used is completely new and not indicated in the rules governing overseas players. It potentially opens up the floodgates for a mass of imported players with Islands passports, and will give clubs extra spaces on their existing rosters as players who were thought to be Non Fed suddenly become Fed Trained. There is also the possibility of fallout from clubs and/or players who were let go or not signed because of a lack of overseas space when in fact there should have been spare slots.

The implications are huge.

If you mean the rules the wigan fan posted on that forum, then Mason fits in with those I think.

It said that players with Kolpak Passports (Samoa, Tonga etc....) are exempt from quota. It then goes on to use Richards, Leuluai and Hansen as examples, so this must mean those three are Fed trained.

I think it would be helpful if the rules were clear for everyone to see.