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| Quote: Dave K. "I still think Agar is worst than Radford.'"
I'd argue that there's not a lot in it, but did Agar have the young players available to him that Radford has and has seemingly squandered or going to squander?
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| Quote: Carmine Galante "I'd argue that there's not a lot in it, but did Agar have the young players available to him that Radford has and has seemingly squandered or going to squander?'"
We won the Academy GF in 2007 didn't we, so he had the best of that bunch to use during his tenure. He had an awful record of bringing juniors through.
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| Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "We won the Academy GF in 2007 didn't we, so he had the best of that bunch to use during his tenure. He had an awful record of bringing juniors through.'"
2005, From what I remember Tommy Lee, Thacrkray, Washbrook, Wheeldon, Houghton and Kirk Dixon stood out that season and around that time. Agar in 2008 should have done better with those, but is argue that the attacking talent in Shaul, Crooks, Lineham, Lancaster, HTW, Dean, Abdull that Radford has/had available is better.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Agar took us to Wembley in his first part season but our league form was dire. His first full season was dreadful, but his second full season was actually a good year. Perhaps our best since 2007. Ironically it was Radford that cost us a top 4 finish that year. 2011 was bang average but he did at least make the playoffs.
I wouldn't fancy either in charge, but if it had to be one or the other it would be Agar every time.'"
Therfore, according to the yardstick used to measure success on here, he's a better coach than Radford.
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| Quote: Large Paws "Therfore, according to the yardstick used to measure success on here, he's a better coach than Radford.'"
And yet we all shouted for him to be sacked and to AP's credit he did just that. Peversely then why is he hanging on to Radford when, as you say, Agar was actually the better of the two.
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| Quote: Hessle Roader "And yet we all shouted for him to be sacked and to AP's credit he did just that. Peversely then why is he hanging on to Radford when, as you say, Agar was actually the better of the two.'"
God knows!
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Agar took us to Wembley in his first part season but our league form was dire. His first full season was dreadful, but his second full season was actually a good year. Perhaps our best since 2007. Ironically it was Radford that cost us a top 4 finish that year. 2011 was bang average but he did at least make the playoffs.
I wouldn't fancy either in charge, but if it had to be one or the other it would be Agar every time.'"
If I remember correctly from several of his post mortums, I don't think 2007 was actually Agar's 'team'. Even when he was leaving, he was still looking for the final pieces of his jigsaw.....
Shame, we'd have won a hat trick World Club titles if only we had given Agar time. Think Radford is in the same mould and we won't win a thing in this Millenium, unless we get rid of him too.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "The first thing this club needs is for Pearson to sell up and we get an owner whom isn't a clueless bi-polar paranoid megalomaniac. The new owner can then sack Radford as clearly AP isn't going to, I'm sure Radford must have something on him as there's really no logical reason to keep him on.
Then I'd get Clive Woodward on board and only after he'd spent time analysing all the shiate at the club from top to bottom consider what coach we should get plus other professionals from whichever sport, not just RL.
I'd also downgrade all the current directors, they are yet another aspect of the club that is on the cheap, with next to zero experience outside the club, aren't particularly qualified and quantifying them as 'directors' is an insult to fans intelligence.
Oh and Powell isn't going anywhere even IF we waved a shed load of money at him which AP won't.'"
Interesting thought. Clive Woodward is a Rugby League fan. During his playing days he left Leicester Tigers to go and play Rah Rah in Australia. While there he used to go and learn from the Manly coaches. You can see from his time in charge of England, how he brought in elements of Rugby League e.g. Multiple phases, instead of booting it in to touch at every opportunity, Defence coaches (Mike Ford), Jason Robinson etc
I'd still go for Brian or Tony Smith. As Staffs FC said in another post, it's all about fine margins. Either if these two could gain us 6+ points per game and if you apply this to our results over the past few seasons, we'd be knocking in the door of a Top Four place, instead of the Bottom 4.
Before Radford gets ideas above his station, he hasn't been good enough it get us over the line in the tight games and therefore we need to employ a Coach who can.
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| Quote: Rugby Raider "Interesting thought. Clive Woodward is a Rugby League fan. During his playing days he left Leicester Tigers to go and play Rah Rah in Australia. While there he used to go and learn from the Manly coaches. You can see from his time in charge of England, how he brought in elements of Rugby League e.g. Multiple phases, instead of booting it in to touch at every opportunity, Defence coaches (Mike Ford), Jason Robinson etc
I'd still go for Brian or Tony Smith. As Staffs FC said in another post, it's all about fine margins. Either if these two could gain us 6+ points per game and if you apply this to our results over the past few seasons, we'd be knocking in the door of a Top Four place, instead of the Bottom 4.
Before Radford gets ideas above his station, he hasn't been good enough it get us over the line in the tight games and therefore we need to employ a Coach who can.'"
How about Brian AND Tony Smith, both not contracted for next year, YET.
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| Quote: Large Paws "How about Brian AND Tony Smith, both not contracted for next year, YET.'"
blimey , I'd be happy with just 1 of the smiths
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| Quote: Offy "blimey
Morrissey is playing Hull Arena in September, maybe Motu can go and have a word.
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| Quote: Offy "blimey
I'd be happier with Tony than Brian
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| Quote: Large Paws "I'd be happier with Tony than Brian'"
tbh I would aswell. nothing against brian, but think tony could use a new challenge, and we would be a challenge. but as said before, powell would be the one for me...
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| Looks simple to me.
You would think that Brian isn't going to want a head coach's job after 4 or 5 years, this is a great opportunity for Radford to step to aside and be coached by a master.
From what I remember of Brian Smith he started to create a club not a team, the threepenny stand rebuild was down to him, building a team of coaching staff and understanding how a rugby league club should be ran.
Bring him in, let him build some systems and make a start on the club Hull idea
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