Technically true, but one can make a reasonable assumptions on likelihood.

The good enough-old enough argument only works if they actually are good enough now.

It's not like Schrodinger's (sp?) cat. The lad isn't in a box - he's being monitored by experienced professional coaches.

Sorry - spill over from our board.

Surely you don't need to alert yourself?


I already said he'd be more willing to move as he isn't playing? Ellis is training as a 7. Nicklas and Ellis are getting much needed exposure to SL in short spells at 9 on a rotation basis, hardly comparable to playing 80 mins in a position you haven't trained for in pre season. Especially when people will come on here and slag Turner off for the littlest mistake without thinking.

It's a logical assumption as we have no fecker else. Just a shame that he'll technically be played out of position in one of the more difficult positions defensively and then get abuse on here if he makes one mistake.

Worst comeback ever. F-.




He's played plenty in the centre, including some of our pre-season games, I think. Whilst rotating for a few minutes may not be comparable, I fail to see any injustice whatsoever in asking Turner to play centre. In fact, he'll probably be made up about it.

I'm sorry, I thought we were going for the most childish comment award?


Who said anything about an injustice? He's the logical/only choice. Doesn't make it any less unfair on him being played out of position than anyone else, that's all.

If you were, congratulations.



You said it would be 'unfair' to move him. rlSee?rl



But it quite obviously does. For a start, he's played enough at centre (most/all of his games for Hull FC) for it not to be considered 'out of position' for him. Secondly, it's not remotely 'unfair' to give him a shot at the first team in a position he's more than familiar with, even if it's not his preferred position. This is not anything like the same as moving a player who has played every competitive game this year in the same position. Not even close.

Whitings played most of his games for Hull FC at centre, he's also 'match fit' having played every game so far. Turner could be rusty, Whitings the better choice to move. Best to have a rusty player spelling the back row for 20 minutes than playing him for the full 80 out of position.

That's certainly a better argument than 'it would be just as unfair to play Turner there'. Though, as I said before, playing Turner at centre can hardly be said to be playing him 'out of position' when he's played every game for our club there. The other argument, of course, is that any player coming into the side will be 'rusty' if they haven't played a competitive game for a while. We can't just keep moving players around though, or we'll never have a settled side.

I can see the merits of moving Whiting to centre, without a doubt, but I think he's been messed about enough over recent seasons. If he's going to make a position his own (and back row looks a good bet, the way he's playing), he can't be moved about every time we have a problem somewhere else.

I'm with Rock God on this one, I'm not convinced a few months of training in the back row now makes centre as alien to him as you seem to be making out, especially as in his time here he has previously stated that centre was the position he wanted to make his own. He was also playing centre as recently as the Bradford game, so I doubt he wasn't training there at least some of the time in preseason also.

As for receiving abuse if he makes one mistake, possibly. But the thing is, he probably will, whereas Whiting is less likely to even though he would be being moved out of position at least as much. It's the frequency of his errors and the lack of rectification that is the problem, and that's why (speaking for myself at least) he receives criticism and IMO should not be retained unless he forces his way into the team and has a very impressive season.

Strang that people keep mentioning Turners 'mistakes' yet he missed less tackles than Whiting per game last year and also made less than half the errors Rich made. While scoring double the amount of tries and the same assists. Strange.

Smales just tweeted:


Now at #hullfc training, Peter Gentle confirms Kirk Yeaman carrying a foot injury, hasn't trained much, but will play at St Helens

Turner's try scoring record in the second half of last season was excellent. He deserves his chance at centre.
His defence and confidence under the new coaching regime could improve in the same way as Sharp's has.

Only strange if you don't watch the games and put them into context. Turner comes too far infield (let's say for example, against Castleford), Whiting gets drawn in with his centre as a result, the ball gets passed out wide (Youngquest), who has too much space and pace for Whiting, and goes in at the corner holding off Whiting's attempted recovery tackle on the line. Missed tackles: Turner 0, Whiting 1.

This kind of thing was far from an isolated incident. Also, how many times did players ghost through where Turner should have been without a hand laid on them? Yet he again doesn't rack up a missed tackle because he didn't even attempt one.

Also, Whiting playing on the wing has more potential to produce errors given the number of high kicks at both ends of the field he will contest, as well as the fact that he attempts to offload the ball more often.

EDIT: I've also just checked the stats you quote, and it's a whopping 0.05 tackles per game difference. With the state of our sliding defence last year I'd actually expect it to have been more for our right winger with the amount of times he was left isolated in all honesty.

Well spotted. I think Peter Gentle's influence could yet be the making of Turner.

They are both very average backs,so toss the coin.