Oh I agree we didn't help ourselves either but any team is going to struggle on the back of a penalty count like that.

Wasnt in similar in our favour in the 1st half?

No chance. I dont know the stats but I would say it was maybe 6-3 in our favour at worst?

Yeah i just thought a lot of our penalties came off of the back of a poor kick and chase as we were slowing the PTB down too much when we didn't have the right too.

Blunderside gave the impression that Hudds were massively hard done to in the 1st half.

thought manu and turner were the only ones who caused us any problems today, did long play?

both teams were guilty of giving too many penalties away today most of them deserved but i was surprised by how many times he let hull lie on in the first half whilst penalising us for it,i think hull were penalised 4 times in the 2nd half for ball stripping which led to your downfall imo

Certainly not the impression I had at the game. I stand to be corrected but if its much worse than 6-3 in our favour I'll be surprised.

Who performed,Mason,Griffin,and Patrick.

If the finger is pointed at anyone it has to be Long, He is the halfback and his decision making and his kicking game especially was terrible at a pivotal point in the game, had it even been up to even an average standard we could have stopped Hudds getting the momentum they did.

When is Berrigan's contract up ?

Agar commented on how our last tackle plays costs us dearly.

End of 2011.

I've never understood the logic behind that. I haven't seen anything to suggest that Lauaki cannot play down the left or is significantly more effective on the right. The only slight benefit I can see is that his left to right passing is stronger than right to left, making him more effective at giving service to those outside him when he's down the right, but Tickle's the same, so there's no real gain there. All it means is that our right channel defence goes to sh[sizei[/sizet and our left channel attack suffers similarly. We go from sending Manu at the half/centre, putting Yeaman away, to Tickle running unders lines or, more often, getting it on a drop-off, working back inside towards the forwards. When that's happening on the right, with him sometimes holding his line and having the option of giving the pass wide, it's fine, but that isn't going to happen down the left.

Totally agree. Manu was causing all kinds of problems down that channel, hence Kevin Brown giving away a few penalties. It was working really well for us and Hame should have just played the exact same role.