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| Quote: Rocknrolla69er "An owner who believes were bringing a batch of academy products through.
A coach who doesnt have the balls to play 4 or 5 young lads at a time.
Hardly on the same page, the ironic thing is Martin and Staveley have been 2 of our best players, id argur Jebson and Balmforth would be too if given a chance.
Instead tired tony will persevere with woefully out of form players, oor limited players who cannot control the ruck, show desire in defence or organise a up in a brewery'"
Or a tired nine who is playing on one leg and still flogged for nearly 80 minutes.
I dont think Smith is tired he is just an old school coach who is now completely out of touch with the modern game.A rambling Joe Biden who shows no passion,living up to his name of Tinkering Tony ,repeating the same script week after week and thinks he can turn it round.Dont think it will be long till we see his other knickname of Toys out Tony emerge when Adam puts the pressure on.
Its a bit like the Conservative party thinking they will will the next general election
Deluded
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| Quote: HU8HFC "Not having a S&C coach is genuinely astounding'"
Bizzarely our Head of Conditioning used to be our Sports Scientist. This is what is says on the club's website. Jesus.
Quote: HU8HFC "He oversees training loads, ensuring the players are training enough, without pushing them over their individual limits.'"
Quite telling just how young our backroom staff are. Head Physio 27, Assistant Physio 21, "Assistant Sports Rehabilitator" 26, Performance Analyst 26, Sports Scientist 23 today (happy birthday).
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Bizzarely our Head of Conditioning used to be our Sports Scientist. This is what is stays on the club's website. Jesus.
Quite telling just how young our backroom staff are. Head Physio 27, Assistant Physio 21, "Assistant Sports Rehabilitator" 26, Performance Analyst 26, Sports Scientist 23 today (happy birthday).'"
Everything on the cheap this season. Adds fuel to the fire that the club had written it off before a tackle was made (or missed in our case)
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| Maybe we had some top quality signings liked up, but as soon as that grade A license came in and we were exempt from relegation the club were straight on the blower to this years bargain basement signings instead to keep costs down
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Bizzarely our Head of Conditioning used to be our Sports Scientist. This is what is says on the club's website. Jesus.
Quite telling just how young our backroom staff are. Head Physio 27, Assistant Physio 21, "Assistant Sports Rehabilitator" 26, Performance Analyst 26, Sports Scientist 23 today (happy birthday).'"
The club is run like an amateur club from top to bottom , no wonder the players lack professionalism and the so called culture is bad . It’s what’s getting passed down from the very top . I bet some championship teams are ran better , even some players aren’t happy how unprofessional the club is ran . Training not tough enough , training times getting moved back on the day a few hours then some players turning up when it suits .
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| Smith told to Get Your job done is utter
Rubbish
Adam should be saying that what he’s doing is not what he hired him for !!!
The instruction should be do a different job and here’s what I’m telling you to do
Create a WINNING culture - it’s that simple
I don’t know if any other culture worth having in sport
Imagine Toto Wolff at Mercedes saying that winning isn’t everything Lewis
We have to make sure you present yourself well and are a little bit woke
I mean what the hell is this Culture shoite
WINNING solves every thing and develops a positive well meaning culture
Why don’t you try it Adam and Tony ?
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| Quote: Windy winger "The club is run like an amateur club from top to bottom , no wonder the players lack professionalism and the so called culture is bad . It’s what’s getting passed down from the very top . I bet some championship teams are ran better , even some players aren’t happy how unprofessional the club is ran . Training not tough enough , training times getting moved back on the day a few hours then some players turning up when it suits .'"
Some fans think, if we signed a 7, this would transform the performances- Nope.
Changing the Coach? - with the current backroom staff,of 1 S&C -Nope,
Winning stems from preparation , if you prepare like an amateur, you play like an amateur.
This group would benefit from a more fully resourced experienced backroom staff.
A reduction in experienced staff in S&C is suicidal in todays game, this is evident on the performances displayed.
Salford for example, have 2 S&C, the difference in fitness between us and Salford is alarming.
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| The more I read the more it seems Smith doesn't have the tools.
Lack of backroom staff
Well below cap
More training facilities
He definitely should be doing better, but he is coaching a club massively under funded on and off the field.
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| Like Paul Rowley is……
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| Quote: Tarquin Fuego "Like Paul Rowley is……'"
Paul Rowley has more experienced,and better resourced backroom staff, than we have .He also has a competent DOR..
IF we approached Rowley, I'd assume he would insist in bringing his backroom staff with him...
No need to guess, the response from Pearson would be.
The same response, when approaching both McNamara and Watson...
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| Pearson at the press meeting was asked if he was spending to the CAP and he said yes. Tony was given the money he asked for.
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| Quote: Steve0 "Maybe we had some top quality signings liked up, but as soon as that grade A license came in and we were exempt from relegation the club were straight on the blower to this years bargain basement signings instead to keep costs down'"
This also happened in 2009 under Kath, Crocker didn't arrive but neither did a replacement. The likes of Carvell, Sing and Dykes left and we got the likes of Thorman and a 'project' in Sam Moa.
Licensing doesn't help us on the field as we get lazier, but I'm bloody glad it's in place right now as I wouldn't fancy our chances in a relegation showdown at Magic and at Wimbledon.
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| Maybe Pearson was clever in the way he answered the question, maybe we're at our financial sustainability salary cap, not the actual super League salary cap?
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| Quote: UllFC "This also happened in 2009 under Kath, Crocker didn't arrive but neither did a replacement. The likes of Carvell, Sing and Dykes left and we got the likes of Thorman and a 'project' in Sam Moa.
Licensing doesn't help us on the field as we get lazier, but I'm bloody glad it's in place right now as I wouldn't fancy our chances in a relegation showdown at Magic and at Wimbledon.'"
Not true with Crocker. We announced Fitzgibbon not long after for the following season. O’Meley and Long also joined for that 2010 season. Pretty sure Lauaki joined mid season of 2009 too. Calderwood replaced Sing. Thorman was appalling but was gone pretty sharpish and replaced with Long. So Kath and Rule did splash out until the end really.
Their biggest mistake was getting rid of Peter Sharp and standing by Agar for so long.
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| Quote: FC Callum "Not true with Crocker. We announced Fitzgibbon not long after for the following season. O’Meley and Long also joined for that 2010 season. Pretty sure Lauaki joined mid season of 2009 too.
Calderwood replaced Sing.'"
They did indeed invest for 2010 likely due to fear of pass sales falling. But my point was there was no urgency to save 2009 as with no relegation it didn't matter.
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