Good riposte.

I've seen Miller barking out orders (I'm assuming it's orders as obviously I cant hear him) plenty of times. The runners just don't seem well drilled enough to actually cause the opposition problems. The timing or positioning just seems to be off far too often and it's not a problem that only happens when Miller plays either.

That's because we have been missing a general to take us around the park for years....and years.....and years (you get the hint )

ive not placed all the blame on him, far from it, as westy takes a lot of the burden of the hb's in his work load. I said I want him to become a great hb for us, but wont do so until he gets his mouth opened and starts organising things.

I dare say the coaching system hasn't been right, but over the years and years, can none of those coaches have got the players drilled?

clearly not, our next coach needs to be someone who has won something as a creative player.

On that point who would you say are the top 3 coaches in both England and the nrl and which position did the play during playing days ?

You mean like Tony Smith, Brian McDermott, Shaun Wane, Wayne Bennett and Tim Sheens?

all taken on teams with proven creative players, we either sign one, or nurture one, but they need someone to learn from.

So our next coach [idoesn't[/i necessarily needs to be "someone who has won something as a creative player"?

my belief is it does, or a proven coach.

my opinion is no more or less valid just because you don't agree with it.

Where did I say it wasn't? I was merely questioning your opinion by pointing out that success teams don't necessarily have to have a coach who was a creative player.

but you can't have neither, as we have proven for the last 5 years!

Starting at 7 today for Donny

Wattsy starting as well as Colborn, HT Donny losing 2-8