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| Quote: knocker norton "Jake has a fair point regards no team been stacked full of A grade stars, how can they be with the Salary Cap in place?
Look at the Hudds team and they have a number of players who could be classed as 'middle of the road' but as a team they are potential challengers.'"
Indeed he does have a point. Every team has to have the "solid" performers rather than 17 superstars, becuase of the cap.
But as BP1 says, we probably only have 3 players that would "walk" into any other side, and a few top youngsters who are more about potential than anything else at the moment. I would say that Wigan/Wire/Saints/Hudds have a lot more than 3 that would walk into our side, and I think their "middle of the road" players are better than our "middle of the road" too!
In summary, we have a decent side, but not top 4. I think people need to be realistic!
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| Quote: knocker norton "Jake has a fair point regards no team been stacked full of A grade stars, how can they be with the Salary Cap in place?
Look at the Hudds team and they have a number of players who could be classed as 'middle of the road' but as a team they are potential challengers.'"
Nathan Brown.
Look at the different in Kevin Brown he has gone from average SL to one of the best halfbacks in SL since N Brown has been there, Agar hasnt improved any players at Hull that much, in fact some have gone backwards.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Nathan Brown.
Look at the different in Kevin Brown he has gone from average SL to one of the best halfbacks in SL since N Brown has been there, Agar hasnt improved any players at Hull that much, in fact some have gone backwards.'"
Same with Darrell Griffin IMO. Aspinwall and G Horne in the back row! Brown is certainly doing something right!
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| Quote: Dave K. "Nathan Brown.
Look at the different in Kevin Brown he has gone from average SL to one of the best halfbacks in SL since N Brown has been there, Agar hasnt improved any players at Hull that much, in fact some have gone backwards.'"
Will all change next season then, Nathan Brown is coaching Roosters from 2011.
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| Quote: knocker norton "Same with Darrell Griffin IMO. Aspinwall and G Horne in the back row! Brown is certainly doing something right!'"
Coaching the correct things, picking the right team and making the right interchanges perhaps?
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| Quote: knocker norton "Jake has a fair point regards no team been stacked full of A grade stars, how can they be with the Salary Cap in place?
Look at the Hudds team and they have a number of players who could be classed as 'middle of the road' but as a team they are potential challengers.'"
Hudds have done well in picking up players who wee going nowhere in their careers such as Brown, Robinson and now Brough..and turning them into better players.
this was a policy used successfully by us when Mcrae was here. We signed players like Raynor, Dowes, Brough, Thackray etc from the lower end of the table or the reserve league and turned them in to better players.
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| Quote: Cardiff_05 "Will all change next season then, Nathan Brown is coaching Roosters from 2011.'"
Doubt it they have a good board of direcetors who have the ambition to sign another and money to get a top coach, you watch Kearney end up there.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "agar's bullet proof. The last 2 years are the worst 2 years we've ever had in SL, we've lost this season already to the only 2 teams who finished below us last year and have copped 2 hammerings from leeds and 1 from wigan.
I honestly don't think the board care that much about results. They see commercial success as something apart from what is happening on the field and are focusing on that. It's obvious to me that the fans will only put up with rubbish for so long but the club owners obviously feel different.
It's the down side to scrapping P&R'"
Some fans, definitely. My worry is not enough. As you say, we've had our 2 worst SL seasons and season ticket sales have still gone up. When will enough be enough?
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| Lets be realistic here.
We are not going to win anything this season.
We are not going to finish in the top four.
Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Hudds and Leeds are all better than we are.
After the last two seasons we should all be satisfied with making the play-offs IMO. If we could make the top six it should be regarded as a good season and we should be satisfied with that.
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| Quote: FC Paul "I'd like to see you take one of those teams, and compare them player-for-player (with first choice 17s) and say you'd take more of our players than theirs!! There'd be a tenner in it for you if you can (and I'm a tight barsteward)
Hull have a significant number of players not playing to their potential whilst those other teams have player who are performing at their peak.
For instance, a half back partnership of Sean Long and Richard Horne looks much better on paper than Danny Brough/Luke Robinson and Kevin Brown. It also should be no worse than Thomas Leuluai/Paul Deacon and Sam Tomkins
Likewise a Front Row of O'Meley, Berrigan, Dowes/Cusack/Moa/Radford looks good on paper compared to Crabtree, Lunt, Mason or Fielden, Riddell and Coley.
In fact if you look through our team we have:
O'meley
Berrigan
Fitzgibbon
Who are all multiple SOO and Australian capped players
Calderwood
Yeaman
Long
Briscoe
Who have all played for GB/England
Together with a number of other players hwo have played for minor countries
Is the fact that many of them are underperforming down to the individuals or is it a coach who isn't getting thebest out of them?
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Coaching the correct things, picking the right team and making the right interchanges perhaps?
Stop being sensible
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| I wish Horne would stop using a drop off then we might play a little more expansive.
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| Quote: BP1 "We are miles away from being able to seriously challenge for silverware and not just because of the third rate coaching set-up currently in place.
Out of our current squad (and based chiefly on form this season), only three players would unquestionably be capable of holding down a place in a Grand Final winning team, those players being Fitzgibbon, O'Meley & Manu. I would think that every Coach and supporters of the other thirteen SL clubs would welcome any of those three as worthy additions to a side aiming to be the best.
I would also possibly add Whiting to that list as well, particularly if a coach was able to fully utilise his undoubted Rugby brain, although there is a question mark over whether he could claim a starting spot in a side sitting atop the table.
Added to that are three other players (Long, Berrigan, Horne) who obviously have played, successfully, at the very pinnacle of the game. However, all three have experienced major problems with fitness/injury in the last twelve months and there has to be a question mark against all three being able to consistently reach the heights previously graced. Fully fit and injury free, yes they can, but therein lies the crux of the problem with those three players.
We also have a batch of promising young players (Briscoe, Briscoe, Lynne, Houghton, Hall?) who with the correct coaching and development may reach the top of the game, but who at the moment are clearly still some way short of Grade A status.
That leaves us with the bulk of our first team squad, (Tansey, Calderwood, Yeaman, Dowes, Radford, Tickle, Washbrook, Cusack, Lauaki, Moa, etc, etc) and I'm afraid to say they are nothing more than mid-table trundlers. Not necessarily bad players, but not exactly outstanding either, and no team made up with the bulk of those players is ever going to be doing a lap of honour around Old Trafford in October (this year or any year).
If we were able to build a team from scratch (hypothetically speaking) to win a Grand Final then I reckon only those three players listed above (Fitzgibbon, O'Meley, Manu) would definately be assured of their place in that squad. For the rest, there has to be serious question marks against their continued presence (too old, too injury prone, unproven, or just simply not good enough) within a side challenging for honours.
And, of course, all of this is before we address the major problem of our coach, the single biggest handicap within the club. But win lose or draw in the next three games, we're stuck with him, at least until the end of next season at the very earliest in my opinion, so I think some of us are going to have to lower our sights a little, because I'm afraid under the current coaching & playing set-up, the only way any of us will be attending Wembley & Old Trafford is as neutrals.'"
I disagree with so many things in this post that I almost can't think where to begin. Let's just go with "how many of these would be up to playing in a GF"
S Briscoe
Tony
Domic
Yeaman
Raynor
Cooke
Horne
Dowes
Swain
Carvell
McMenemy
Radford
Washbrook
Whiting
G Horne
Wheeldon
King
Oh, hang on - all of them
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| Quote: downtheante "I disagree with so many things in this post that I almost can't think where to begin. Let's just go with "how many of these would be up to playing in a GF"
S Briscoe
Tony
Domic
Yeaman
Raynor
Cooke
Horne
Dowes
Swain
Carvell
McMenemy
Radford
Washbrook
Whiting
G Horne
Wheeldon
King
Oh, hang on - all of them'"
Oh yes we certainly set alight the 2006 grand final didn't we !!! What score did we win it again ??
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