Jesus last 6 pages on a brett seymore thread and only one mention of brett seymore FFS, too many think they are gods children and whiter than white on here i think LOL
talk about derailment ha ha

I guess as you said earlier its all about opinion isnt it!!

as are most things, it's a bit like discussing religion, it's best avoided because those that believe do and those that don't, don't, neither side will ever offer any facts that change the opposing sides opinion.

other than on Graham, where I am right, he's a moaning windbag!

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That should balance things out a bit.

Except that most people who don't believe in a god would change their minds in a heartbeat if compelling evidence came to light, whereas those who do believe in a god continue to do so despite the evidence. Oh, yeah, and, summat about Brett Seymour.

Hang on. Brett Seymour is god?

Yes, he's the god of tasteless weddings.

I'm not the biggest fan of Graham but I think he has proved in the last series that he is one of the best props in the world at the moment i.e World class. Just for his shear work rate at offloading, yes he has flaws but being a ginger to$$ bag doesn't effect his game.

Just to keep on topic

Brett Seymour will have my full support until he breaks the clubs rules. Everyone likes a drink and I've made a tit of myself on numerous occasions but drink driving is not acceptable. That said I'll guess that we will all know somebody who has been done for drink driving, I certainly do and they have learned from there mistakes. They all still get pi$$ed though

Nope.

Must just be people in Hedon Then.

I know at least 10

you're now introducing the word RATIONAL to religion, we better take this to The Sin Bin, I don't think this board is quite ready for that conversation!!

using your logic basically onlly aussies could be considered world class in the last 30-40 years,how do you rate these out of interest roger millward,steve norton,ellery hanley,stacey jones and benji marshall

East Hull folk for you.

By that overly demanding definition, Stacey Jones was potentially world class but we'll never know for sure then?

I personally think you're being pernickity in your haste to come up with a definition that will exclude British players. You may as well add 'must be Australian' to your criteria, seeing as they are the only rugby league nation who [iconsistently[/i win anything of note.

Interestingly, I have thought of a few who probably do fit your criteria if you take it as read: Michael Withers, Jamie Peacock, Joe Vagana, Leon Pryce, Lesley Vainikolo, and Stuart Fielden. All won the world club challenge 3 times in the space of 5 years, but I wouldn't personally call any of them world class.

As you say, it's about opinion, but world class cannot be defined in any clear way. It's entirely subjective and impossible to substantiate, and certainly should not be dependent upon who you play for or what you win.