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| Quote: BraddersFC "It has to be down to coaching, it has to be.
We all know players like Sean O'loughlin, Darell Goulding, Joel Tomkins really aren't any better than Yeaman, Manu and Briscoe. O'loughlin and Leuleui and a lot of these players for Wigan were struggling near the bottom of the table a few years ago. All that's changed is that Maguire has gotten them playing in a system, that's all it is. Further proof shows that these players don't perform at an international level because they're system players.
Yes, Hull players do make mistakes and give away penalties but it's Agar's fault for allowing it to happen. As soon as he inherited the job, he should have applied pressure and made it clear that the fundamentals have to always be respected. Backing up, tackling-technique, dummy runners, not letting a single forward drive without someone on their shoulder, speed of the ruck. I'm sure this is what any respectable coach implements
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| Quote: BraddersFC "It has to be down to coaching, it has to be.
We all know players like Sean O'loughlin, Darell Goulding, Joel Tomkins really aren't any better than Yeaman, Manu and Briscoe. O'loughlin and Leuleui and a lot of these players for Wigan were struggling near the bottom of the table a few years ago. All that's changed is that Maguire has gotten them playing in a system, that's all it is. Further proof shows that these players don't perform at an international level because they're system players.
Yes, Hull players do make mistakes and give away penalties but it's Agar's fault for allowing it to happen. As soon as he inherited the job, he should have applied pressure and made it clear that the fundamentals have to always be respected. Backing up, tackling-technique, dummy runners, not letting a single forward drive without someone on their shoulder, speed of the ruck. I'm sure this is what any respectable coach implements
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| Quote: BraddersFC "It has to be down to coaching, it has to be.
We all know players like Sean O'loughlin, Darell Goulding, Joel Tomkins really aren't any better than Yeaman, Manu and Briscoe. O'loughlin and Leuleui and a lot of these players for Wigan were struggling near the bottom of the table a few years ago. All that's changed is that Maguire has gotten them playing in a system, that's all it is. Further proof shows that these players don't perform at an international level because they're system players.
Yes, Hull players do make mistakes and give away penalties but it's Agar's fault for allowing it to happen. As soon as he inherited the job, he should have applied pressure and made it clear that the fundamentals have to always be respected. Backing up, tackling-technique, dummy runners, not letting a single forward drive without someone on their shoulder, speed of the ruck. I'm sure this is what any respectable coach implements
A Brian Smith type?.
He made average players into good ones (a la David Moon). A lot of our 2011 squad are far from average. They just play like they are.
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I think the mentality that causes us to hit the wall, which we have done several times in the past is that we have a heads down attitude - and we don't know how to get out of it.
We were awesome for the first 15, and were easily the better team, Hull KR certainly didn't play as well as we did in the first 15 at any point during the game - yet as soon as we hit a hicciup, our confidence looked totally shot and our heads went down, and we couldn't pick our selves up to regain the momentum - this doesn't happen to teams like Leeds, Saints and Wigan. We need to sort it out, among many other things imo.
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| Quote: Irregular Hoops "A Brian Smith type?.
He made average players into good ones (a la David Moon). A lot of our 2011 squad are far from average. They just play like they are.'"
It's the type of any good coach really. I'm sure that's what Wigan's coach is doing right now. He's able to get the best out of all of his players by setting a standard. It's pretty obvious we have the talent, it's just not being realised. |
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| Quote: Andrea FC "we maybe lost,but you was crap to nothing to get excited about,we was just crapper than you ![]()
Oh wait Dobson/Fisher and Galea were all on 1 leg each for big parts of the game so maybe not.
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| Quote: Irregular Hoops "A Brian Smith type?.
He made average players into good ones (a la David Moon). A lot of our 2011 squad are far from average. They just play like they are.'"
Get Nobby on the phone, he is available. |
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| Quote: Bal "So, why did it happen?
For 15 minutes we looked outstanding. Then, the wall, we turned into a completly different team - we went from an organised, agreesive, fast outfit to a shambolic, weak, and clueless one in what seems like an instant.
[sizePoor coaching?
Fitness?
An individual mistake?
Attitude?[/[/sizequote]
ALL OF THEM, JUST MAYBE NOT IN THAT ORDER 
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| Quote: PAUL M "
Not sure why, we always seemed to have something left in the tank late on in games.
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i dont rate agar that high,but noble?.no thanks.wigan got rid and are now looking a good side.
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| Quote: ditchley16 "i dont rate agar that high,but noble?.no thanks.wigan got rid and are now looking a good side.'"
take wigan away..what he did at bradford was immense.....if we have half the succes he had at the bulls,id be a happy man....currently im fuming with the complete idiots that have power at my club  |
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| Quote: berro's best mate "take wigan away..what he did at bradford was immense.....if we have half the succes he had at the bulls,id be a happy man....currently im fuming with the complete idiots that have power at my club ![]()
Why take Wigan away?
He didnt quite scale the heights he did at the Bulls but he saved them from relegation and then got them to within one game of the grand final two seasons running.
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| Quote: garry brindley "Why take Wigan away?
He didnt quite scale the heights he did at the Bulls but he saved them from relegation and then got them to within one game of the grand final two seasons running.'"
fair play. i was just eluding to the fact that what he did at bradford was quality..not saying he was bad at wigan, but he never quite reached the heights he did there as he did at the bulls |
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| Quote: berro's best mate "fair play. i was just eluding to the fact that what he did at bradford was quality..not saying he was bad at wigan, but he never quite reached the heights he did there as he did at the bulls'"
Add to the fact he turned Crusaders into bottom of the table fodder into a play offs team in one season.
Noble would be a great choice as coach. He is just one those coaches who knows how to improve a team or a player. When he took over Wigan to save them from relegation, he started with the basics and by the end of the season he had them playing some real good stuff. We should know they easily beat us in the final regular game of the season, the same year we reached the Grand final.
A season under noble would see us become a top 4 side IMO. |
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| Quote: pmarrow "Add to the fact he turned Crusaders into bottom of the table fodder into a play offs team in one season.
Noble would be a great choice as coach. He is just one those coaches who knows how to improve a team or a player. When he took over Wigan to save them from relegation, he started with the basics and by the end of the season he had them playing some real good stuff. We should know they easily beat us in the final regular game of the season, the same year we reached the Grand final.
A season under noble would see us become a top 4 side IMO.'"
He can sign half backs as well, 3 wasnt it at Crusaders, unlike Mr Agar who wouldnt know one if he fell over one. |
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