as I said previously maybe I demand more for my buck than you do tosh!!
if you believe a coach has proved his worth by winning home games yet losing to last seasons bottom two then jog on son jog on
as for silly remarks as you put it, we are all entitled to our opinion much of which does not concur with yours
happy days

I agree that's a reasonable stance to take. However were this team to build/improve in the second half of the season and finish in the top 6 Agar would have earned the right to an extension - maybe one year only - but nonetheless an extension. As I said elsewhere if we win the next 2 games it will have been a good start, win one of them and the jury would still be out. Lose both and the losses against the so called lower teams will cost him I think. It's a results based business and his destiny should and will be determined by results this year.

I think there are plans for further player movements at the end of this season and it seems to me the Board would prefer to give him two years to get things right (this being the first) however a disasterous run would likely, and rightly, change that.

With regard to the development of players there could be an issue there although unless anyone has actually been coached by Agar it would be difficult to comment with any authority (although that rarely prevents many authorities on here ). There have been a number of failures of so called up and coming youngsters in recent times although in Hull I think we are way to quick to assign the worldbeater tag to players who never will be. The treatment of Hall does concern me and I think it is time to give him a run at centre. Having said that as well as receiving good coaching the players themselves have a responsibility to work and improve, and to stop making the same mistakes each time they play. Improvement of a player is a joint effort in my view.

Next 2 games are key. I just hope the fans get behind the team and act as the 18th man otherwise what's the point in all honesty ?

It's not about results it's about performances, and we've shown no improvement under Agar both without or with his own team!

now that is the most sensible and honest approach statement thus far today!!
well said
he a silk turd

Disagree pro sport is all about results.

Performance generally breeds results. Poor performance breeds embarrassing results vs teams like Crusaders and Salford and closer results than what should be happening vs other sides.

but you have to improve to get those results which is why we cant beat last years bottom two teams because the inconsistency of the regime promotes the wrong attitude....
Get the attitude right and we fill the trophy cabinet
apart from Radford, dowes, & Yeaman i think we have a top drawer side to move on with experience and youth coming through but all mind coached and conditions by a doughnut!!!

agree 110%
Listen we know its not a god given right to beat teams like Salford and Crusaders and god knows they both deserved their wins, but if we cant consistently do the business against those we really should class as points in the bag we have huge problems

Lets not forget the cash we laid out to bring these masters of the game to FC to make sure we didnt have results like salford or Crusaders...

I agree that when performances are better you are more likely to get the result - I don't think you would find many arguments with that. As I said in my original post if we were to finish top 6 Agar would have earnt a one year extension. To get to top 6 you would have 'bred' enough results to get enough points to do that. You are right to pick out poor performances and use them as criticism, however you are wrong to ignore performances good enough to beat good teams or simply dismiss them as 'should have been better'. IMO obviously and you are of course entirely entitled to yours

But without the performances you cant consistantly get the results

I 100% agree with you about consistency the two defeats against the 'lower' teams were unacceptable and down to attitude which is something in Agar's control. He should take responsibility for that if the players are not approaching the games correctly - it's down to him and them to rectify it.

I disagree that Saints has been our only good performance however. We have defended very well this season in the games we have won. That is half of what you need to do in a game to win it and we have done it well. We are currently 5th best at it despite the Wigan avalanche of points against. Players and coaches tell us that defence is mostly down to attitude so we have reached the required level at times. We are not really that bad at scoring points either - 4th best in the league in fact. Dismissing wins against teams of the calibre of Hudds Cas and Bradford as below par doesn't wash with me. Had they beaten us I am absolutely sure they wouldn't have dismissed the victories as sub standard in the same way you do. And I am more sure than ever that the level of vitriol on here would have gone through the roof.

We are scoring more points and conceding fewer than we did at any time last year. Consistency as you rightly say is the issue and if we don't find any Agar is in trouble. Were we to beat Wire on Monday he would rightly argue that we have been 100% consistent at home. It would probably be shot down as another sub standard performance but one thing's for sure a 100% home record would be a massive improvement on last year's offerings.