Quote ="Steve0"Lots of people quick to point the finger at IMG, but forget that the RFL was struggling in the first place, hence the need to bring them in https://www.sportbusiness.com/2024/09/m ... and-minds/ This article is really good and puts a bit more context to IMGs plans for the sport. The TV deal was always going to go down with a product that was getting a bit stale and no real competition for bidding rights, why would sky need to pay more than £21m if they don't need to? The real test of IMGs success will be seeing what the TV deal is at the end of 2026? When the current one runs out. Getting all the games on TV is a good step, the next one should be to stagger the kick off times so every one kicks off at a different time and try get more on the main sky channels and off sky sports+'" Getting all the games on TV is the worst thing they could have done. Just leads to more supporter apathy about attending matches BBC are also not interested in R/L.They seem to have just outbid Channel four solely so Channel four dont have any TV rights rather than any interest in the sport as can be seen from their lack of adverstising games.BBC2 one week BBC red button another week the odd game on BBC1 its just a shambles

Quote ="Steve0"Lots of people quick to point the finger at IMG, but forget that the RFL was struggling in the first place, hence the need to bring them in https://www.sportbusiness.com/2024/09/m ... and-minds/ This article is really good and puts a bit more context to IMGs plans for the sport. The TV deal was always going to go down with a product that was getting a bit stale and no real competition for bidding rights, why would sky need to pay more than £21m if they don't need to? The real test of IMGs success will be seeing what the TV deal is at the end of 2026? When the current one runs out. Getting all the games on TV is a good step, the next one should be to stagger the kick off times so every one kicks off at a different time and try get more on the main sky channels and off sky sports+'" Getting all the games on TV is the worst thing they could have done. Just leads to more supporter apathy about attending matches BBC are also not interested in R/L.They seem to have just outbid Channel four solely so Channel four dont have any TV rights rather than any interest in the sport as can be seen from their lack of adverstising games.BBC2 one week BBC red button another week the odd game on BBC1 its just a shambles

It’s actually quite a tough game of Guess Who.

Not the kids, and presumably not the ones who left before or shortly after Grix became interim head coach. Not Houghton, Tuimavave or Ese Ese because… obviously. It’d be hard to knock the effort of players like Jordan Lane and Morgan Smith. Fash and Sao got frustrated and lost their heads a bit at times but it is slightly difficult to imagine them as bad influences. Walker, Sutcliffe, Trueman? Maybe disheartened at times, and they’re leaving which can make you a blame magnet in any workplace but none have that sort of reputation, afaik, or give that vibe. The group of young loanee forwards, or any of the new signings - Briscoe, Aydin, Chamberlain, all seem unlikely candidates.

Why did it take all that ramble to say “you don’t know who the players responsible, are”

A mix of wanting to be clear and self indulgence.



Like, I don’t know whether your paraphrasing of my ramble is to suggest I was making an admission of ignorance or to suggest that I was accusing Roam Ranger or Wilf of that.

There was also an implication that talk of the 2024 Hull FC playing group having a bad attitude doesn’t ring very true to me. Fitness and quality seemed like much bigger issues.

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting a bad attitude was solely the reason for the problems. I don't know anything nor was I trying to imply that I did. It was merely my attempt to suggest that if there has been such an attitude and players influencing and creating that attitude, that I hope that those players are moved on. Basically I just want Cartwright to have a fresh start when he arrives without any potential player power rearing it's ugly head and making his job harder than it already is.

But I have always said that it's a combination of factors at play that have seen FC sink as low as they have, including fitness and quality.

It is an interesting debate.

The 'cancer in the club' has now been touted for many many seasons - I have no idea if that is or ever has been true ? Almost certain it has been in the past but far less certain with the current crew.

Culture is the current 'In' word which I fully support - aspiration, accountability, responsibility & an outright determination to win is priceless in RL.

I rarely saw lack of effort this year ( after TS departed ) but we did see lack of tactics, fitness & frankly boys bravely trying to do mens work & being ground down by sheer bulk & strength.

Effort has been there but that has been all that was there, as you say there has been little evidence of anything else certainly in terms of structure, tactics, discipline and fitness etc. We have for far too long looked a disorganised rabble with very little leadership on the field, which is hardly surprising when we didn't replace leaders like Ellis, Mini & Sika.

I'm not convinced there has been effort off the pitch easily the worse I've seen us fitness wise, yes alot of that comes down to your coaching staff, but it's something you can also influence. You only have to look at how for Aydin has and the intensity he plays at.

And on the flip side Jack Brown has struggled to get up to speed with Rovers intensity levels

Fans Forum with Pearson and Myler in November

I hope our new owners will be in attendence

To be fair the fans have asked for it so can’t complain that they’ve deceived to step up. Think it will just be another case of AP telling everyone how the recruitment is much better and how next season will be different, obviously it’s just words until we see it on the pitch.

Hopefully might learn what’s happened with the Covid loans we aimed to have paid off by the first quarter this year. The radio silence isn’t good on that if you ask me. Can’t shake the horrible feeling that any money earmarked for that went towards paying off Smith/Gene/Hoy/Pele/Ock because he felt under pressure to act.

Go to the forum and ask the question then.

Could be quite a toxic event. Hopefully, it isn't some saddo's of the FB page who can't construct a question.

What a shame, I'm washing my hair that night...

Joking aside, fair play to them for organising one. It's been a long time coming.

Wonder if our very own 'Mr Positive ' will be in attendance??

"Hull FC’s Chairman will be joined by the club’s Director of Rugby to review a disappointing year on the field, whilst casting an eye forwards to 2025."

Mate, we won 3 SL games all season. It's been nothing less than a catastrophe, the lowest point (so far) in a decline years in the making. Fair play for having the event but if it's an exercise in downplaying/excusing/glossing over the real state of things it could be counterproductive.

Tin hats at the ready.

They've spelt Andrew Thirkill wrong.

Perhaps someone politely directed them towards this board and the pleas on here for a forum?

Probably not as it's far easier to whinge anonymously on the internet than ask a question in person.

Better still on the panel.

Usually have a player on the panel. I'll be interesting who it is.

Surely cartwright will be on the panel

I'll go for Hardaker unless Briscoe is getting his car serviced.