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Interesting piece today in the Mail by Dan as he interviews Simon Grix. As you all know for me the jury is still very much out on him, for whatever he says coaches if they are worth their salt can really influence a group of players and if they can't they shouldn't be in the role. But like all of us involved with the club he's had a bad time and I'm sure those in the know on here will have heard the rumours about the influence and attitude of certain players and what that has had this year on others more impressionable in the squad. He's obviously going to be here next season and as such, we'd all better get on with it. I'd have loved Ryan Sheridan myself, as I really rate him and the way he goes about his business. However it will be interesting to see how he goes, interacts with Lasty and our new head coach, who if he is as tough as he's made out to be will be assessing his co-coaches as well as his wards on the field and hopefully acting as necessary
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Interesting piece today in the Mail by Dan as he interviews Simon Grix. As you all know for me the jury is still very much out on him, for whatever he says coaches if they are worth their salt can really influence a group of players and if they can't they shouldn't be in the role. But like all of us involved with the club he's had a bad time and I'm sure those in the know on here will have heard the rumours about the influence and attitude of certain players and what that has had this year on others more impressionable in the squad. He's obviously going to be here next season and as such, we'd all better get on with it. I'd have loved Ryan Sheridan myself, as I really rate him and the way he goes about his business. However it will be interesting to see how he goes, interacts with Lasty and our new head coach, who if he is as tough as he's made out to be will be assessing his co-coaches as well as his wards on the field and hopefully acting as necessary
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Interesting piece today in the Mail by Dan as he interviews Simon Grix. As you all know for me the jury is still very much out on him, for whatever he says coaches if they are worth their salt can really influence a group of players and if they can't they shouldn't be in the role. But like all of us involved with the club he's had a bad time and I'm sure those in the know on here will have heard the rumours about the influence and attitude of certain players and what that has had this year on others more impressionable in the squad. He's obviously going to be here next season and as such, we'd all better get on with it. I'd have loved Ryan Sheridan myself, as I really rate him and the way he goes about his business. However it will be interesting to see how he goes, interacts with Lasty and our new head coach, who if he is as tough as he's made out to be will be assessing his co-coaches as well as his wards on the field and hopefully acting as necessary
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ix-9581747'"
A good summary, definitely improves my opinion of him.
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Interesting piece today in the Mail by Dan as he interviews Simon Grix. As you all know for me the jury is still very much out on him, for whatever he says coaches if they are worth their salt can really influence a group of players and if they can't they shouldn't be in the role. But like all of us involved with the club he's had a bad time and I'm sure those in the know on here will have heard the rumours about the influence and attitude of certain players and what that has had this year on others more impressionable in the squad. He's obviously going to be here next season and as such, we'd all better get on with it. I'd have loved Ryan Sheridan myself, as I really rate him and the way he goes about his business. However it will be interesting to see how he goes, interacts with Lasty and our new head coach, who if he is as tough as he's made out to be will be assessing his co-coaches as well as his wards on the field and hopefully acting as necessary
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ix-9581747'"
A good summary, definitely improves my opinion of him.
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Interesting piece today in the Mail by Dan as he interviews Simon Grix. As you all know for me the jury is still very much out on him, for whatever he says coaches if they are worth their salt can really influence a group of players and if they can't they shouldn't be in the role. But like all of us involved with the club he's had a bad time and I'm sure those in the know on here will have heard the rumours about the influence and attitude of certain players and what that has had this year on others more impressionable in the squad. He's obviously going to be here next season and as such, we'd all better get on with it. I'd have loved Ryan Sheridan myself, as I really rate him and the way he goes about his business. However it will be interesting to see how he goes, interacts with Lasty and our new head coach, who if he is as tough as he's made out to be will be assessing his co-coaches as well as his wards on the field and hopefully acting as necessary
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ix-9581747'"
Pretty fair assessment Pete and one you'd be hard pressed to argue against. For me personally after such a horrendous season even though Grix was only an interim I'd have said thanks for your efforts and parted ways. He was brought in by Smith and he has certain foibles that are very Smithesque so I'd have preferred that complete break. As the Leader of a group for me he failed the audition and he seemed to come across as a negative character and quite defeatest a number of times.
Maybe Cartwright has seen something in him and is prepared to give him a chance under his tutelage.
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Interesting piece today in the Mail by Dan as he interviews Simon Grix. As you all know for me the jury is still very much out on him, for whatever he says coaches if they are worth their salt can really influence a group of players and if they can't they shouldn't be in the role. But like all of us involved with the club he's had a bad time and I'm sure those in the know on here will have heard the rumours about the influence and attitude of certain players and what that has had this year on others more impressionable in the squad. He's obviously going to be here next season and as such, we'd all better get on with it. I'd have loved Ryan Sheridan myself, as I really rate him and the way he goes about his business. However it will be interesting to see how he goes, interacts with Lasty and our new head coach, who if he is as tough as he's made out to be will be assessing his co-coaches as well as his wards on the field and hopefully acting as necessary
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ix-9581747'"
Pretty fair assessment Pete and one you'd be hard pressed to argue against. For me personally after such a horrendous season even though Grix was only an interim I'd have said thanks for your efforts and parted ways. He was brought in by Smith and he has certain foibles that are very Smithesque so I'd have preferred that complete break. As the Leader of a group for me he failed the audition and he seemed to come across as a negative character and quite defeatest a number of times.
Maybe Cartwright has seen something in him and is prepared to give him a chance under his tutelage.
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It’s a sad article about a guy who when
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Maybe Cartwright has seen something in him and is prepared to give him a chance under his tutelage.
As you say if Cartwright is indeed the Coach as reported that has exacting standards and demands on his personnel then it's likely he stands up to the task or will be gone.'"
I think when interviewed after games most of which we were battered its hard to be upbeat and if he was hed get criticised! Was unaware of player influence in the changing room. But we dont know detail. On the face of it he hasnt done great but he has gained a lot and hopefully this will benefit Hull next season |
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Quote ="UllFC"An interview with IMG has revealed the TV deal went from £40m a year to 21.5m and of course SKY now getting to show every game...great work from the administrators as always.
Never mind a new investor at HullFC the whole sport needs a new investor or it'll go to go part time.'"
Lots of people quick to point the finger at IMG, but forget that the RFL was struggling in the first place, hence the need to bring them in
https://www.sportbusiness.com/2024/09/m ... and-minds/
This article is really good and puts a bit more context to IMGs plans for the sport. The TV deal was always going to go down with a product that was getting a bit stale and no real competition for bidding rights, why would sky need to pay more than £21m if they don't need to? The real test of IMGs success will be seeing what the TV deal is at the end of 2026? When the current one runs out. Getting all the games on TV is a good step, the next one should be to stagger the kick off times so every one kicks off at a different time and try get more on the main sky channels and off sky sports+ |
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Quote ="UllFC"An interview with IMG has revealed the TV deal went from £40m a year to 21.5m and of course SKY now getting to show every game...great work from the administrators as always.
Never mind a new investor at HullFC the whole sport needs a new investor or it'll go to go part time.'"
Lots of people quick to point the finger at IMG, but forget that the RFL was struggling in the first place, hence the need to bring them in
https://www.sportbusiness.com/2024/09/m ... and-minds/
This article is really good and puts a bit more context to IMGs plans for the sport. The TV deal was always going to go down with a product that was getting a bit stale and no real competition for bidding rights, why would sky need to pay more than £21m if they don't need to? The real test of IMGs success will be seeing what the TV deal is at the end of 2026? When the current one runs out. Getting all the games on TV is a good step, the next one should be to stagger the kick off times so every one kicks off at a different time and try get more on the main sky channels and off sky sports+ | |
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| Quote ="Cuddleclub"Good job Cartwright got himself fixed probably would have found himself unemployed with Walters getting the sack.'"
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Quote ="Steve0"Lots of people quick to point the finger at IMG, but forget that the RFL was struggling in the first place, hence the need to bring them in
https://www.sportbusiness.com/2024/09/m ... and-minds/
This article is really good and puts a bit more context to IMGs plans for the sport. The TV deal was always going to go down with a product that was getting a bit stale and no real competition for bidding rights, why would sky need to pay more than £21m if they don't need to? The real test of IMGs success will be seeing what the TV deal is at the end of 2026? When the current one runs out. Getting all the games on TV is a good step, the next one should be to stagger the kick off times so every one kicks off at a different time and try get more on the main sky channels and off sky sports+'"
Getting all the games on TV is the worst thing they could have done.
Just leads to more supporter apathy about attending matches
BBC are also not interested in R/L.They seem to have just outbid Channel four solely so Channel four dont have any TV rights rather than any interest in the sport as can be seen from their lack of adverstising games.BBC2 one week BBC red button another week the odd game on BBC1 its just a shambles |
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https://www.sportbusiness.com/2024/09/m ... and-minds/
This article is really good and puts a bit more context to IMGs plans for the sport. The TV deal was always going to go down with a product that was getting a bit stale and no real competition for bidding rights, why would sky need to pay more than £21m if they don't need to? The real test of IMGs success will be seeing what the TV deal is at the end of 2026? When the current one runs out. Getting all the games on TV is a good step, the next one should be to stagger the kick off times so every one kicks off at a different time and try get more on the main sky channels and off sky sports+'"
Getting all the games on TV is the worst thing they could have done.
Just leads to more supporter apathy about attending matches
BBC are also not interested in R/L.They seem to have just outbid Channel four solely so Channel four dont have any TV rights rather than any interest in the sport as can be seen from their lack of adverstising games.BBC2 one week BBC red button another week the odd game on BBC1 its just a shambles | |
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"Here's hoping that said players have been moved on.'"
It’s actually quite a tough game of Guess Who.
Not the kids, and presumably not the ones who left before or shortly after Grix became interim head coach. Not Houghton, Tuimavave or Ese Ese because… obviously. It’d be hard to knock the effort of players like Jordan Lane and Morgan Smith. Fash and Sao got frustrated and lost their heads a bit at times but it is slightly difficult to imagine them as bad influences. Walker, Sutcliffe, Trueman? Maybe disheartened at times, and they’re leaving which can make you a blame magnet in any workplace but none have that sort of reputation, afaik, or give that vibe. The group of young loanee forwards, or any of the new signings - Briscoe, Aydin, Chamberlain, all seem unlikely candidates. |
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"It’s actually quite a tough game of Guess Who.
Not the kids, and presumably not the ones who left before or shortly after Grix became interim head coach. Not Houghton, Tuimavave or Ese Ese because… obviously. It’d be hard to knock the effort of players like Jordan Lane and Morgan Smith. Fash and Sao got frustrated and lost their heads a bit at times but it is slightly difficult to imagine them as bad influences. Walker, Sutcliffe, Trueman? Maybe disheartened at times, and they’re leaving which can make you a blame magnet in any workplace but none have that sort of reputation, afaik, or give that vibe. The group of young loanee forwards, or any of the new signings - Briscoe, Aydin, Chamberlain, all seem unlikely candidates.'"
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Why did it take all that ramble to say “you don’t know who the players responsible, are”'"
A mix of wanting to be clear and self indulgence. 
Like, I don’t know whether your paraphrasing of my ramble is to suggest I was making an admission of ignorance or to suggest that I was accusing Roam Ranger or Wilf of that.
There was also an implication that talk of the 2024 Hull FC playing group having a bad attitude doesn’t ring very true to me. Fitness and quality seemed like much bigger issues. |
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"A mix of wanting to be clear and self indulgence.
Like, I don’t know whether your paraphrasing of my ramble is to suggest I was making an admission of ignorance or to suggest that I was accusing Roam Ranger or Wilf of that.
There was also an implication that talk of the 2024 Hull FC playing group having a bad attitude doesn’t ring very true to me. Fitness and quality seemed like much bigger issues.'"
Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting a bad attitude was solely the reason for the problems. I don't know anything nor was I trying to imply that I did. It was merely my attempt to suggest that if there has been such an attitude and players influencing and creating that attitude, that I hope that those players are moved on. Basically I just want Cartwright to have a fresh start when he arrives without any potential player power rearing it's ugly head and making his job harder than it already is.
But I have always said that it's a combination of factors at play that have seen FC sink as low as they have, including fitness and quality. |
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It is an interesting debate.
The 'cancer in the club' has now been touted for many many seasons - I have no idea if that is or ever has been true ? Almost certain it has been in the past but far less certain with the current crew.
Culture is the current 'In' word which I fully support - aspiration, accountability, responsibility & an outright determination to win is priceless in RL.
I rarely saw lack of effort this year ( after TS departed ) but we did see lack of tactics, fitness & frankly boys bravely trying to do mens work & being ground down by sheer bulk & strength.
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| Quote ="al283"It is an interesting debate.
The 'cancer in the club' has now been touted for many many seasons - I have no idea if that is or ever has been true ? Almost certain it has been in the past but far less certain with the current crew.
Culture is the current 'In' word which I fully support - aspiration, accountability, responsibility & an outright determination to win is priceless in RL.
I rarely saw lack of effort this year ( after TS departed ) but we did see lack of tactics, fitness & frankly boys bravely trying to do mens work & being ground down by sheer bulk & strength.'"
Effort has been there but that has been all that was there, as you say there has been little evidence of anything else certainly in terms of structure, tactics, discipline and fitness etc. We have for far too long looked a disorganised rabble with very little leadership on the field, which is hardly surprising when we didn't replace leaders like Ellis, Mini & Sika. |
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I'm not convinced there has been effort off the pitch easily the worse I've seen us fitness wise, yes alot of that comes down to your coaching staff, but it's something you can also influence. You only have to look at how for Aydin has and the intensity he plays at.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I'm not convinced there has been effort off the pitch easily the worse I've seen us fitness wise, yes alot of that comes down to your coaching staff, but it's something you can also influence. You only have to look at how for Aydin has and the intensity he plays at.'"
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To be fair the fans have asked for it so can’t complain that they’ve deceived to step up. Think it will just be another case of AP telling everyone how the recruitment is much better and how next season will be different, obviously it’s just words until we see it on the pitch.
Hopefully might learn what’s happened with the Covid loans we aimed to have paid off by the first quarter this year. The radio silence isn’t good on that if you ask me. Can’t shake the horrible feeling that any money earmarked for that went towards paying off Smith/Gene/Hoy/Pele/Ock because he felt under pressure to act. |
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| Quote ="DSJ1983"To be fair the fans have asked for it so can’t complain that they’ve deceived to step up. Think it will just be another case of AP telling everyone how the recruitment is much better and how next season will be different, obviously it’s just words until we see it on the pitch.
Hopefully might learn what’s happened with the Covid loans we aimed to have paid off by the first quarter this year. The radio silence isn’t good on that if you ask me. Can’t shake the horrible feeling that any money earmarked for that went towards paying off Smith/Gene/Hoy/Pele/Ock because he felt under pressure to act.'"
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Could be quite a toxic event. Hopefully, it isn't some saddo's of the FB page who can't construct a question.
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