For me its not about winning and losing as daft as that may sound, the issue for me is the continuation of the embarrassing and pitiful performances which have just gone on for far too many years.

I can accept any defeat but if we are to be honest we aren't just being beaten, we just aren't turning up, mentally or physically or with any apparent idea, structure or leadership.

I don't want and never will want my club to lose or hope for it to lose, but in our current start I just do not see anything other heavy defeats for the foreseeable and even games against Cas and London I fear more defeats and poor performances based on what I have seen last season and so far this season.

No. I never want the team I support to lose. Whatever the circumstances.

Me neither…just thought I’d put it out there to gauge fans opinions.

If Smith had any integrity he would have resigned after the Leigh game.
I keep saying what has he done to enhance the team on the field since he has been here?
Simple answer is nothing
Still believe If you has put any coach in charge from the lower divisions they could not have done a worse job than Smith

Isn't Tony plan obvious?

Step 1: Have a clear out of your top earners
Step 2: sign some duds on the cheap
Step 3: success

After catching up on Hull Live, I cant quite believe I have just seen him question the loyalty of supporters what an absolute idiot.

You would think a man of Smiths experience and standing in the game would take a step back and recognise it’s time to do the decent thing if he’s having pops at the fans in the local rag. Beggars belief really.

We have won 2 of our last 14 competitive matches, which were Wakefield and London at home.

We haven't won a game outside of Hull since June 2023 (which if you're going to be picky was a neutral venue).

Conceded an average of 35 points a match so far this season, scoring an average of just 10 points a game in the process (almost half of which came in one game vs London)

We haven't even scored the first try in a match since Huddersfield at home in August 2023.

And yet he even dares to question to Loyalty of supporters? Any ounce of respect I had for the bloke has been lost in that ridiculous comment.

As time passes by and when I look back to 2016/17, particularly the cup wins, the more I am of the opinion that the real architect of the Wembley triumphs (and our generally high standard of play at that time) was Gareth Ellis. His mere presence and stature on the field took an, admittedly good side, up to a different level, a level where we looked like winners and not merely wanna-be's.

Quite obviously we have no-one of that stature right now, but I remember the difference between our performance level from when Ellis was on the field and when he wasn't. It is a very rare commodity in team sports today where one man can galvanise those around him to raise their game an extra ten percent.

The lack of a Gareth Ellis, however, still doesn't excuse all of the shortcomings surrounding the club that we are witnessing today.

The fans are the main constant of any club.

Players, Coaches and Owners come and go, but it’s normally just the fans (quite often a family heredity thing too) who remain when all the above move on.

Quote: HU8HFC "As touched on in another thread… It sounds as if the current coaching methods at this club is a shambles. I suppose it may be his style, but it appears that Tony is incredibly laid back in his approach to training, to the extent where we go into games without even having a game plan (kicking early in sets, targeting a teams weaknesses,etc). Told on good authority that a player who I won’t name had gone a couple weeks without even having a conversation with Tony, how are players supposed to improve and “right their wrongs” as we have been told they are trying to when the coach doesn’t even go out their way to speak to a regular first team player? I didn’t get the impression that the player’s particularly get on well with the coaching staff either, with one of the coaches been branded ‘a weirdo’. I was delighted we got him at the time, but it just feels like Tony is too passive, Rovers players are genuinely scared on Willie Peters, they rarely go out on the lash because of how strict they know he can be, call it tough but that’s how it should be and I can’t help but think we would be at least making a better fist of it if we had a coach with that type of mindset.'" I guess he must b1e spending all his time talking to the Kids https://www.giantsrl.com/article/8775/g ... ter-finals

Quote: HU8HFC "As touched on in another thread… It sounds as if the current coaching methods at this club is a shambles. I suppose it may be his style, but it appears that Tony is incredibly laid back in his approach to training, to the extent where we go into games without even having a game plan (kicking early in sets, targeting a teams weaknesses,etc). Told on good authority that a player who I won’t name had gone a couple weeks without even having a conversation with Tony, how are players supposed to improve and “right their wrongs” as we have been told they are trying to when the coach doesn’t even go out their way to speak to a regular first team player? I didn’t get the impression that the player’s particularly get on well with the coaching staff either, with one of the coaches been branded ‘a weirdo’. I was delighted we got him at the time, but it just feels like Tony is too passive, Rovers players are genuinely scared on Willie Peters, they rarely go out on the lash because of how strict they know he can be, call it tough but that’s how it should be and I can’t help but think we would be at least making a better fist of it if we had a coach with that type of mindset.'" I guess he must b1e spending all his time talking to the Kids https://www.giantsrl.com/article/8775/g ... ter-finals

If, as expected, we take another hammering on Friday (especially if we are REALLY hammered) and Smith is still in the hot-seat for the Huddersfield game next week, then we will have to assume that he really is going nowhere and will remain in charge until the end of the year, at the very least.

If he isn't removed from post after three consecutive fifty-plus point defeats, then it's difficult to see what would make Pearson pull the plug. If he's not going to get rid of him this weekend, then why next? What difference would another catastrophic loss make to the overall balance sheet.

Don't forget Pearson stood by Radford even on the back of a 11/12 game losing streak.