10 first teamers out, poor conditions and atrocious officials, last night was nowhere near as bad.

With ball in hand we were as bad. Defensively our attitude was much better.

That was nowhere near as bad as the playoff loss, and we clearly have improved as much as the current squad is capable of improving. We were never going to achieve much this season even before all the injuries and disruption. Our first choice 17 was only likely to get us up to around 6th at best so no surprise that we're falling short with half of them not available for one reason or another.

stop speaking sense kosh, people dont like it,

thinkthat was one of the worst refereed games i have ever watched. thought you were going well. when you were 12 points down you looked to me the better team but at one point the penalty count was 10 -2 in leeds favour and they wre getting every decision that he could possibly give them. its about time they bit the bullet in england and got some decent aussie refs in for a couple of seasons to learn them the game. on the plus side , thought mcgoldrick had a good game.

I agree with that but our team were dead on their feet and couldn't cope with the pace. The penalty count killed us and Leeds took advantage of all the tackling we had to do. So that's why we struggled for the qptb and organising our attacking structure.
All my opinion of course add to that Manu, Radford, heremaia, watts and mcgoldrick were all blowing out their as s es.

I don't think you'll get a better chance of beating Leeds, Sinfield apart they were awful. Error after error they were giving Hull every chance to get into the game 2nd half. You certainly had enough go forward to hurt them, unfortunately your just lacking that player who can unlock a defence,

Apart from the game at the KC a few weeks ago when we actual [idid[/i beat them, you mean?

You say the ref was terrible but as with every club including leeds you only seem to have a bad ref when your team loses!!

They dont seem quite as bad if you watch them on TV? coincidence?

I watched on TV last night and he was terrible, but then most are. More and more, refs seems to favour one team for big chunks of the game meaning teams get on top

I am not vilifying them at all I am responding to the fact making claims several weeks ago claiming top 4 finish will raise fans expectations, simple really.

McRae did an article in the media re Manu and stated the club wanted a decision, a matter of weeks later re Turner & Whiting (I believe) he claimed the club understood that the players needed time to make a decision, that is a contradiction.

Can anybody remember a game which hull fc lost and it wasn't the referees fault ? I can recall a play off match when hull played bradford and the referee sent steven kearney off after about 6mins for 3 head high tackles and was blamed for the loss.The score was 71-0. By the way I do agree the referee heavily favoured leeds last night with some poor decisions.!

Thanks for reminding me about the score,I had forgot all about it.