the cap will force their hands, Horne isn't good enough now, even in his prime he was never creative as a half back, he's a no trick pony, I am glad he recovered fromhis injury and I think he's a top "bloke", but he isn't a top 2 player.

There's a reason he was picked for GB on the wing, he's not a great halfback.

Who is making way for Scott in the centres , Naiqama , Sa'u ?. Joel Edwards would be a hit over here in the forwards. He isn't scared to put the big hits in.

Not sure bud, wouldn't be surprised to see a few move on.

Fair enough with the cap bit. He was never a comfortable creator or organiser but alongside one he was a real "running" threat and excellent support player IMO, i dont think his shorter kicking game was bad either. I would never use some of the questionable GB and England selections to use as a barometer for a players ability.

I do not know him as a bloke and dont care to be honest. Given the choice I would rather have a load of succesful kn0bheads (criminality, racism, homophobia not withstanding) then a load of unsuccessful nice guys.

Anyways, what a week

That's no support of your argument at all IMO, Leon Pryce played on the wing for GB and he's quite clearly a very good stand-off.

And of course Horne played in the halfs for gb.

He seems to be doing well this season.

That's your opinion, anyway, this thread is about the future and players like Ellis.

So you don't think Pryce is a good halfback either?

Would suggest that your view on Horne is less about his qualities and more about your inability to spot a decent halfback.

Had a chat today with the same source who infomed me at the time we had snatched Seymour from the Bulls before it was announced...he seems to think we may sign Finch for next year....I dismissed it initially but Finch is out of contract at the end of the year...and has stated in the press this week he wants to stay in Super League but admits Wane is looking to promote young British players....not sure how much cash he would ask for or where this would leave us quota wise but in my book if we off loaded Horne personally I'd see Finch as an improvement in that position?

He in the best form we've seen for several seasons IMO. I would still look to replace him at the end of his contract, though.

I do agree with the opinion that he is not the player he once was, what I find silly is claiming he was never good in the first place.

What a signing that would be.

I think IL has just been on radio saying he wanted to keep Finch, we'd have quota room though.

Hornes contracted, unless somebody offers him a good 2 year deal at the end of the season I can't see him leaving.

Never said he wasn't good, he's never been great, just my opinion.

We've carried mediocrity in the club for years, hopefully that era is at an end.

I've heard similar

You said he's never been good enough, this post says he's never been great. To be consistent, that means that you only think a club can be amongst the contenders with a great stand off, then?

If that's the case, I think you're wrong. At his best he was good enough for us to challenge if not be the best.