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| Quote Hutchie="Hutchie"carlminns.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-council-support-for-developing.html
[size=200Why Council support for developing Craven Park is good for the taxpayer[/size'"
Great so it will produce a couple of hundred jobs....remind us again Mr Minns how many people you are going to make redundant to SAVE money 
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[size=200Why Council support for developing Craven Park is good for the taxpayer[/size'"
thats sorted then I'm voting for him! lets see what plans he has for investing in the KC then! |
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[size=200Why Council support for developing Craven Park is good for the taxpayer[/size'"
Interesting, if a little sketchy on figures and projections. Come on Mr Mince (as Levy called him on [ithat[/i Look North programme), we need a proper business plan before we believe that wishy washy flannel.
Seems to me that this £4.2M loan could save the council as much as [url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Guildhall-cuts-team-cost-save/article-3012625-detail/article.htmlthis[/url innovation has. |
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"thats sorted then I'm voting for him!
[u lets see what plans he has for investing in the KC then[/u!'"
I think £53m is enough already don't you??
Personally if i were Minns i'd be looking to sell the KC to the highest bidder to raise much needed cash, coz they get fookall out of it at the moment. |
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| Quote Gordon Gekko="Gordon Gekko"I think £53m is enough already don't you??
Personally if i were Minns i'd be looking to sell the KC to the highest bidder to raise much needed cash, coz they get fookall out of it at the moment.'"
Have I missed something? The stadium cost 44 million to build, 42 million of this put forward by HCC. Where has 53 million come from?
And the money was provided by the sale of HCC's holdings in Kingston Communication's. If HCC sells of it's properties, buildings or assets, the gain is ring-fenced to re-investment in build, not settling debt, and HCC is not in debt, by the way. It is incurring 80 million pounds worth of cut-backs because Central Government got it wrong, very wrong. |
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Rovers stand is costing £1.9m of the £4.2m borrowed according to this:
www.yorkshire-forward.com/sites/ ... kreate.pdf
The elements of genius within it include:
Craven Park described multiple times as a "the centrepiece of a Regeneration scheme", yet the only evidence of things actually delivered in the area and not badged as "planned" or "proposed" are a go-kart track and Sport Soccer.
"The capital project and its capital funding do not strictly speaking create businesses, jobs, labour market inclusion/economic activity". Good thing to prioritise then.
"The project in its original proposed form cannot be commercially funded nor would the end values in expected rentals and leasehold commitments be affordable by occupants". ie there's no stand alone business case for it.
"The club provides the anchor for the use of sport as a route for social and economic inclusion" WTF - supreme management bollox-speak 
And "[uThe provision of the stand secures the Hull Kingston Rovers Super League License[/u". Not "would help to secure", it's described as a done deal. Feck, didn't realise this was the only criteria the RFL were looking at now. Pesky Rovers, always have the inside track on the RFL's moving goalposts.
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Rovers stand is costing £1.9m of the £4.2m borrowed according to this:
www.yorkshire-forward.com/sites/ ... kreate.pdf
The elements of genius within it include:
Craven Park described multiple times as a "the centrepiece of a Regeneration scheme", yet the only evidence of things actually delivered in the area and not badged as "planned" or "proposed" are a go-kart track and Sport Soccer.
"The capital project and its capital funding do not strictly speaking create businesses, jobs, labour market inclusion/economic activity". Good thing to prioritise then.
"The project in its original proposed form cannot be commercially funded nor would the end values in expected rentals and leasehold commitments be affordable by occupants". ie there's no stand alone business case for it.
"The club provides the anchor for the use of sport as a route for social and economic inclusion" WTF - supreme management bollox-speak
And "[uThe provision of the stand secures the Hull Kingston Rovers Super League License[/u". Not "would help to secure", it's described as a done deal. Feck, didn't realise this was the only criteria the RFL were looking at now. Pesky Rovers, always have the inside track on the RFL's moving goalposts.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"Nope. Definitely not true.'"
So you are saying that nobody, anywhere, at any time, has ever become addicted to any drug after a single exposure?
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| Quote ComeOnYouUll="ComeOnYouUll"Carl Minns is still an incompetent idiot, by the way.'"
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| Quote Digby="Digby"Have I missed something? The stadium cost 44 million to build, 42 million of this put forward by HCC. Where has 53 million come from?
And the money was provided by the sale of HCC's holdings in Kingston Communication's. If HCC sells of it's properties, buildings or assets, the gain is ring-fenced to re-investment in build, not settling debt, and HCC is not in debt, by the way. It is incurring 80 million pounds worth of cut-backs because Central Government got it wrong, very wrong.'"
The overall cost of the whole stadium project was £53m.
Whilst you're correct in what you said about cash being ring fenced, they would still be better off leaving the proceeds in the bank and using the interest gained as income, because like i said they currently get nothing in way of a return on the KC. |
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| Quote Gordon Gekko="Gordon Gekko"The overall cost of the whole stadium project was £53m.
Whilst you're correct in what you said about cash being ring fenced, they would still be better off leaving the proceeds in the bank and using the interest gained as income, because like i said they currently get nothing in way of a return on the KC.'"
When the project was signed off by the Council its cost was £43m, thats in the Council minutes, an additional £1m was spent on infrastructural improvements and access. There was a plan to send an additional £9m on Walton Street fairground and West Park but that was not spent in the end. Pathfinder and other external and government funding was used to fund West Park improvements, which have been pulled half way through without lighting etc being completed. So can you tell me where this additional £9m was spent? |
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"When the project was signed off by the Council its cost was £43m, thats in the Council minutes, an additional £1m was spent on infrastructural improvements and access. There was a plan to send an additional £9m on Walton Street fairground and West Park but that was not spent in the end. Pathfinder and other external and government funding was used to fund West Park improvements, which have been pulled half way through without lighting etc being completed. So can you tell me where this additional £9m was spent?'"
Fair enough. I thought i'd read somewhere that the toal cost was £53m, i stand corrected. I'd be interested to know how much was spent on the project that was dumped half way through though. |
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| Quote Carl Minge="Carl Minge"Far from costing the Council money the plans will enable the Council to close many old buildings across East Hull that cost a lot of cash to run and open them anew on this site in a purpose built centre. These moves will bring an income for the taxpayer, save money through paying less for building costs and provide jobs and training opportunities for the people of Hull.'"
So, if that's the case, why don't the council knock down all the old housing and build modern, new houses in their place? They'd make a bloody fortune |
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