We have lots of previous with Liam Moore, think back to last seasons Derby at our ground all those disallowed trys. I watched him ask the touch judge hicks if swifts was a try, hicks replied yes, Moore instantly said no try and sent it upstairs.

The anti Hull agenda exists.
Why didn't Sironen get punishrd for the clenched fist high shot to Sataes face?
When we have a slipped shoulder tackle by Connor resulting in a red card and further 1 game ban.
What was the Wynne sin bin all about, Moore sat watching replays and still gets it massively wrong.

It's season after season after season, we get absolutely crucified for any infringement or sometimes none at all. Certain teams walk away Scott free.

It's turned into a farce, won't be renewing my pass if this continues, totally ruining the game.

Lets not all fall out eh.
I think its overly harsh and I have my doubts as to whether we'll see a consistent application of the rules over the season but it is what it is. Just have to accept we are without Gale for a good chunk of the season and move on.

honestly i think 2 or 3 games would of done and i'm a saints fan

Laughable, waste of time talking and getting angry about it.

Massive opportunity for McNamara and/or Hookem.

2 matches for the shin contact and warned about future conduct for the second charge. They're killing the game, not just us but some of the other suspensions dished out, way way over the top with no consistency.

I thought the lifting of the player was much worse than the shin contact, can you imagine if he it was only a slight contact and Lomax falls akward resulting in damaged knee ligaments and the shin contact in that circumstance is very trivial.
Gale picks up Lomax off the floor and makes the knee worse (season ending) instead of the team medic assessing the injury. Gale should have let it be, he is neither a ref or a medic.

Imagine if none of that happened though & he was just picking up a player he knew was play acting for the penalty.

Who is he to decide who is play acting? What if Ben Flower decided Lance Hohaia was play acting after the first punch? What if Lomax's injury was from tweaking his hamstring from the kick rather than any contact? The only reason Gale did what he did is because he knew there was contact - players can get injured without a single finger being laid on them (especially in cold conditions like Saturday).

Any defence of a player having any interaction on the floor is nonsense. We cant scream player welfare and then say "oh but it might be okay if the player wasnt injured" - go to the ref and say theres nothing wrong with him - get your own teams doctor on and involved to prove theres nothing wrong, don't get involved yourself.

Let's hope we learn and stop doing stupid things. If Gale hadn't gone charging in with his studs none of this would have happened.

We have to start using our brains, the scrum penalty was another example, the reason we got penalized is that the players didn't know we had a scrum, how didn't they know we had a scrum???? Meant they has to rush and didn't have time to pack down. Reynolds playing the ball sidewards too.

Not the best example to use.

I think had it been a hard collision and possible head, neck or spinal issue then fine I can understand the repercussions of trying to get a player up but I think Gale will have known how much contact there was. I think Gale was wrong to try and lift Lomax up but the argument that he could have been seriously injured is a mute one and the fact once Gale was carded Lomax then stopped hobbling almost immediately and saw out the game on the field.

Think the RFL actually face a dilemma here due to the incidents and inconsistencies from the officials in that game and the level of gamesmanship particularly from Welsby who clearly played for a penalty by doing what he did by putting himself to the ground head first to con the ref. He isn't a daft lad I'm sure and he'd be aware if an opposing player was adjudged to have caused it in the tackle they'd have been carded. Again as soon as Kendall blew his whistle his holding of his neck immediately stopped and he jumped straight up. If the RFL want to stamp out foul play then it has to be all foul play both physical and gamesmanship because currently the path they are on by clamping down to severely just invites more housery play in terms of conning refs like Welsby did which will eventually kill the game.

For me Gale should get a 3 game ban and severe warning for his future conduct but also the incident involving Welsby should result in a 1 game ban for unsporting conduct as a message to say this type of action by players will not be tolerated in the game.

But knowing the RFL they will just consistently be inconsistent and to the continued detriment to the game.

Why though did Kendall not just ask the players to reset the scrum as Walmsley was still stood upright in the scrum so neither side were in the scrum correctly. Its just a bit of common sense from the man in the middle needed.

Saints told him it was a penalty to them.

It's strange, really, RU spend 10 minutes getting a scrum to form correctly and then give a penalty.

Sorry no he didn't - Lomax missed the first 15 minutes of the second half getting stitched up - and I don't know how many times you rewatched the game, but he wasn't moving freely after that moment - Dodd did significantly more of the kicking compared to last week, and most of the play went through Welsby. So this myth that "Lomax was fine" is just that, a myth.

Further to claim its a mute point that Lomax could have been seriously injured means its also a mute point if Lomax wasnt seriously injured (aka "play acting"icon_wink.gif - which was my whole point - at that moment in time Gale could have done lots of things but picking up Lomax wasnt one of them.



To me Welsby stopped holding his head as the Hull player got off him but hey ho, you see what you see right. The lawsuit against the RFL will do significantly more in "killing the game" then any perceived player indiscretions on the pitch, we have to protect players head and neck - and like it or not, thats where Welsby ended up. Welsby twisting in the tackle definitely contributed to him going to ground, and I dont think it was a bad one - but the thought Welsby decided to spear tackle himself to get a penalty is a biased perception. Much like booing Saints players for being late on the kicker ... when they were making contact wasnt late and in fact the ball was still in the players hand.



You are presupposing your version of events is the correct one, and you cant have it both ways - you cant say "Gale should be warned for his unsporting conduct" and Welsby "should get a ban for his unsporting conduct" even though one has been deemed by the RFL who are somewhat more neutral than both of us on the matter, and one has not. You are asking for inconsistency, whilst complaining about inconsistency...

Then that would be an infringement on a player, it’s up to the referee or the touch judges to decide. Can you imagine if that was allowed you wouldn’t. get a game of rugby league at all. New rules are in place for players faking injuries and it’s not given to an opposition player to execute.

Indiscipline comes in two forms by infringement or foul play, the latter will be costly this season, some coaches, players and fans have not took that on board yet and hence the crying wolf.

With regards the picking up of Lomax, I actually don't have much of a problem with that ban. In this instance it was a bit of a nothing incident but the fact touching an injured player (however injured you deem them to be is irrelevant) is an automatic grade C leads to the consistency we all want. Everyone knows where they stand.
We can't have it both ways.