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Quote: berrigans bitch "Very interesting stats...I think the reason most hold Swain in such high esteem and what sets him apart from Berro is Swainey played with passion every time he stepped onto a pitch.'"


So do you think one of the issues may be that Berro is too naturally gifted and looks like he's taking it easy when maybe he isnt?

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Quote: Big Dave T "So do you think one of the issues may be that Berro is too naturally gifted and looks like he's taking it easy when maybe he isnt?'"


No, I just don't think he puts as much effort in any-more tbh.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "No, I just don't think he puts as much effort in any-more tbh.'"


That's my view too but the more i debate it the more i'm open to been convinced otherwise.

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Quote: trys'r'us "So, going back to what I said about metres per carry, how can this be debated?

Only if everything each player did was in the same proportion.'"


reading your debate has given me a nose bleed!

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Quote: supersuperfc "reading your debate has given me a nose bleed!'"


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and ive got a headache. Anyway, it's nearly pub o'clock.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Metres per carry in simplistic terms would be the metres divided by carries. Metres would be measured by seeing where the ptb ball is and how many metres are made over the advantage like before been tackles. A carry would be each time a player takes it in and is tackles. I'd hope that a professional statistical research company capturing this data would have an agreed approach set down with guidelines as to what constitutes each metric. I'd also hope this has been derived in conjuction with the clubs to ensure it measures what they want measuring in the way that they want it measuring. '"


Right, let's assume that a carry is as you've said then (a terrible definition as far as I'm concerned, not through your fault, but through the fault of whoever it is that's decided to try and measure something as variable as what a carry is). The terrible, average, coasting Berrigan, this season, has an average of just over 6m per carry. The NRL-bound Houghton has an average of just under 7.5m per carry. What does that tell us? 1.5m is the difference between success and failure? Or Berrigan makes so many more carries that he doesn't have the energy to make the extra 1.5m that would elevate him to greatness? Or something else?

Quote: Big Dave T "Sometimes simplicity is the best approach and ignoring variables and classing them as a working assumption that they are a constant is the best way of approaching these complex situations.'"


Sometimes, but not in this case. Again, Fitzgibbon/Tickle/tackling. That simple hypothetical remains unchallenged yet is still the massive stumbling block that these statistics haven't even got close to overcoming.

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Quote: trys'r'us "Right, let's assume that a carry is as you've said then (a terrible definition as far as I'm concerned, not through your fault, but through the fault of whoever it is that's decided to try and measure something as variable as what a carry is). The terrible, average, coasting Berrigan, this season, has an average of just over 6m per carry. The NRL-bound Houghton has an average of just under 7.5m per carry. What does that tell us? 1.5m is the difference between success and failure? Or Berrigan makes so many more carries that he doesn't have the energy to make the extra 1.5m that would elevate him to greatness? Or something else?

Sometimes, but not in this case. Again, Fitzgibbon/Tickle/tackling. That simple hypothetical remains unchallenged yet is still the massive stumbling block that these statistics haven't even got close to overcoming.'"



See for me the metres per carry is an irrelevant stat for a hooker. The better use of metres per carry is in the forward armwrestle where our great game has changed.

Moa making 8 metres per carry compared to Cusack making 4 metres per carry theoretically tells you that Moa makes twice the yards Cusack does therefore giving a better platform. Obviously before you say it the stat doesnt say how many defenders Cusack pulls in or how quick the ptb is he gets.

The telling stat for me for hookers would be around pass accuracy and speed.

Sometimes overly complication statistics and needing to consider all variables is often the blockage to moving things forward imo. (as evidenced by the debate not really moving on for 10 pages) icon_lol.gif

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Stats are for s

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Stats are for s'"


Succinct! Probably about right too. On the field you need a team that works for each other and you need players that care as well as have skill etc.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Stats are for s'"
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Quote: berrigans bitch "Very interesting stats...I think the reason most hold Swain in such high esteem and what sets him apart from Berro is Swainey played with passion every time he stepped onto a pitch.'"

That, and the chargedown at Cardiff. icon_wink.gif

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Back to berrigan.

Were not missing him are we?

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Quote: Sheldon "Back to berrigan.

Were not missing him are we?'"

Houghton is every bit as good you know.

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[quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x] [quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.     Regards,   Matthew[/quote:3e09qe5x]:23521.jpg



Quote: Kosh "Houghton is every bit as good you know.'"


only just! icon_lol.gif

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