|
 |
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 3325 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2022 | Apr 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Standee="Standee"OK, firstly, let's remove any perceived personal slant to this, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. And, contrary to what some on here think, I am actually very interested in other people's opinions, (with the caveat that you should at least have gone to school more than once a week, be capable of writing without using finger spacing and be a modicum more literate than John Prescott).
So, taking that into account, what are your opinions on Richard, can you see a talent in him that needs nurtuting, and if you can, do you think it's right to be nurturing it at one of the few SL franchises to attain an "A" grading. Likewise, do you think Sharp has had a positive impact, can you see any single player that has developed under their guidance?'"
Now I like that question. It is my opinion that bringing Sharp in (whom I think did a good job at Huddeersfield all things being considered) was unneccessary. I had hoped to see how Agar fared on his own two feet. Had I been Agar, I would have been a little miffed at having Sharp brought in - is he his senior/his mentor/his assistant? I even wondered if they were going to get rid of Agar before he'd had a proper go at the job. So, as much as I like Sharp (and I think he was a great servant to Hull FC as a player) I would rather he wasn't here. I think we have seen what Richard Agar is capable of when he is given free rein as he was before he handed over to Sharp. However, his detractors would probably say that that was all to do with Kear setting up the team - although results dipped under Sharp. So, I'd like to see him solely in charge but taking on input for key players (like Kearney offered when he was here) |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 1438 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2012 | Sep 2012 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Robbo4="Robbo4"The main positive of Agar currently is that he at least seems to be doing what many other coaches have failed to do at this club and thats get rid of those who are taking the P1$$. If he does get rid of the majority of players who should be shown the door it will earn him at least the first half a dozen games of next season with me.'"
I think Peter Sharp would have done that if the guy had been given an ounce of the backing Agar has got. We wait to see what he has planned, although the contract renewals of some players isn't a good indication. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 142 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2009 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote downtheante="downtheante"Now I like that question. It is my opinion that bringing Sharp in (whom I think did a good job at Huddeersfield all things being considered) was unneccessary. I had hoped to see how Agar fared on his own two feet. Had I been Agar, I would have been a little miffed at having Sharp brought in - is he his senior/his mentor/his assistant? I even wondered if they were going to get rid of Agar before he'd had a proper go at the job. So, as much as I like Sharp (and I think he was a great servant to Hull FC as a player) I would rather he wasn't here. I think we have seen what Richard Agar is capable of when he is given free rein as he was before he handed over to Sharp. However, his detractors would probably say that that was all to do with Kear setting up the team - although results dipped under Sharp. So, I'd like to see him solely in charge but taking on input for key players (like Kearney offered when he was here)'"
wasn't it Agar who recommended him (best of palls etc) |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 3325 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2022 | Apr 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Standee="Standee"OK, firstly, let's remove any perceived personal slant to this, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. And, contrary to what some on here think, I am actually very interested in other people's opinions, (with the caveat that you should at least have gone to school more than once a week, be capable of writing without using finger spacing and be a modicum more literate than John Prescott).
So, taking that into account, what are your opinions on Richard, can you see a talent in him that needs nurtuting, and if you can, do you think it's right to be nurturing it at one of the few SL franchises to attain an "A" grading. Likewise, do you think Sharp has had a positive impact, can you see any single player that has developed under their guidance?'"
Sorry you asked another question in here. I think that that is precisely what a club with a grade A license should be doing - leading the way by investing in British "talent" (we'll all judge that differently). |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 3325 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2022 | Apr 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Wollagong Way="Wollagong Way"I think Peter Sharp would have done that if the guy had been given an ounce of the backing Agar has got. We wait to see what he has planned, although the contract renewals of some players isn't a good indication.'"
I agree |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 15980 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2016 | Jun 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Wollagong Way="Wollagong Way"I think Peter Sharp would have done that if the guy had been given an ounce of the backing Agar has got. We wait to see what he has planned, although the contract renewals of some players isn't a good indication.'"
Agree with that but I think its taken 2+ years of consistently under achieving for the board to get to the point were they will let the coach undertake a big squad overhaul. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 13126 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2005 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2023 | Feb 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Kosh="Kosh"I had us pegged as finishing 7-9 before the season even started. That assumed Crocker would arrive and we wouldn't get an injury crisis. I haven't seen anything to convince me that we would do any better than that even with a moderately gifted coach.
Without Carvell our pack has no go-forward, so we're always playing on the back foot. He was an absolutely crucial member of the squad, reflected in the efforts we went to to keep him. His absence was always going to be massive. On top of that we have no halfbacks to speak of. You say we hardly saw Dykes, and that's correct. No coincidence then that we only ever performed when we [idid[/i see him. Thorman is worse than Dykes playing the odd game, as he's crap all the time. And Horne might as well be injured again for all the impact he's having.
There is absolutely no way that this squad is anywhere near competing with 3rd place.
Wakey have had some disasters this season, but have a pack with more go-forward and more creativity in the halves. This, coupled with an excellent team spirit and Kear's knack of getting teams to play better than the sum of their parts, is what's got them where they are.
I'm not suggesting that Agar shouldn't have done better. In fact I've specifically stated that he should. But some people are massively overestimating the potential of our current squad IMO.'"
Winner. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 3325 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2022 | Apr 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote geronimo="geronimo"wasn't it Agar who recommended him (best of palls etc)'"
Sorry - I'm not privy to the FACTs |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Moderator | 8507 | Hull FC |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote Kosh="Kosh".
There is absolutely no way that this squad is anywhere near competing with 3rd place.
'"
Sorry I may have confused the issue, I'm not saying we should be competing for 3rd place far from it. What I am trying to say is the team should be able to compete with the teams lying above them from 4th down more than they have this season if the application etc had been better. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 142 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2009 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote downtheante="downtheante"Sorry - I'm not privy to the FACTs'"
I not saying that I am just thought I read it somewhere (HDM or HULL FC site) |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 3325 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2022 | Apr 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Chris71="Chris71"Sorry I may have confused the issue, I'm not saying we should be competing for 3rd place. What I am trying to say is the team should be able to compete with the teams lying above them from 4th down more than they have this season if the application etc had been better.'"
let's see what happens on Saturday then  |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Moderator | 36786 | Hull FC |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | May 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote downtheante="downtheante"It is my opinion that bringing Sharp in (whom I think did a good job at Huddeersfield all things being considered) was unneccessary. I had hoped to see how Agar fared on his own two feet. Had I been Agar, I would have been a little miffed at having Sharp brought in - is he his senior/his mentor/his assistant? I even wondered if they were going to get rid of Agar before he'd had a proper go at the job. So, as much as I like Sharp (and I think he was a great servant to Hull FC as a player) I would rather he wasn't here.'"
I'd agree with most of that, although it was said at the time that Agar asked for Sharp to come in order to add some experience to the coaching team.
Quote downtheante="downtheante"I think we have seen what Richard Agar is capable of when he is given free rein as he was before he handed over to Sharp. However, his detractors would probably say that that was all to do with Kear setting up the team - although results dipped under Sharp. So, I'd like to see him solely in charge but taking on input for key players (like Kearney offered when he was here)'"
And here is where I have to disagree.
We didn't see what Agar was capable of at all. By his own admission he did next to nothing following Kear's departure and the upturn in form was down to the players deciding to play again. Sharp came in just a few games later and was here for the whole of the run to the GF.
My concern, which IMO is backed up by the available evidence, is that Agar is one of those coaches who is a great assistant but just doesn't have what it takes to be head coach. |
|
|
|
|
|
