Inflated a bit because 2 home derby's a year was the fixture policy at the time, but also on the back of our 2005/2006 success bringing in new fans.

But yeh do get your point, we can average over 12k if we sorted ourselves out and stopped our end of season nosedives.

And during that period we never came anywhere near winning the competition. It's not difficult to imagine what the averages would have been if we were competitive during that period.

Moving forward If AP can secure a favourable deal I'll gladly welcome staying at the KCOM. Needs a lick of paint and a good clean but is a top class stadium in a great location.

Our home support even success included wouldn't and hardly ever gets more than 15,000 fc fans

Even the derby hasn't got close to capacity for years

Our highest non Derby is 19,549 in 2003 against Bradford iirc filled the North stand

Last few years Even Leeds games don't get close to 17,000 like they used to in 2004/05/06 years

"If you build it, they will come"

Exactly this ^^^^^^

After the poor showings since 2018 , post lockdown the absolute poop shows under BH you would certainly have expected a drop in fanbase understandably. However the appointment of Smith with relatively minimal changes in playing squad has shown that with 7500+ members for this season achieving an average attendance of 10-11K is certainly a very achievable goal over the next couple of years with a better brand of rugby being played and continued improvement. This is why I fail to see any real logic behind a secondary stadium with a 12K capacity. It’s not beyond the realms i possibility that is 3 to 4 years and genuinely challenging at the top that an average of 12K plus could happen especially if they’re a bit of silverware along the way.
Both Hull clubs have shown that even when under performing the fan numbers are still good.

Just had a look on City's forum to see what they make of it - a couple there saying accommodating us somehow would be key to any plans, so feels like we do have some leverage at least.

Unsurprisingly they are all for relocating the fair but one poster said the £25m is massively undercalled and you'd have to agree. They reckon by about £100m.

I like the idea of a sports village with training facilities for both clubs maybe even a new small ground that could host city under 21s, womens, FC reserves etc but not for the FC first team - we need to stay at the KC/MKM even if expanded

Time for the council to gift the ground to both City and FC as a starter which would secure our future and be similar to what theyve done with KR

Absolutely 12k is too small

Rovers, Leeds, cas, Wigan, saints, wire all would almost be sell out at 12k ridiculous

A new 12000 seater stadium for Hull FC would probably cost in the region of £25m. Where's Adam going to find that sort of cash from ? The club is completely skint, which is common knowledge.

An alternative improved deal to use the current stadium once the current deal expires. How on earth would they get an "improved" deal?. The only way this deal will be agreed will be Hull FC paying a substantial amount of extra rent to use the stadium, which currently runs at a massive loss.

Lets face it, Adam and Hull FC have absolutely no leverage at all in this process, and the idea of a new stadium for Hull FC is nothing but a pipe dream.

I reckon you didn’t go to many games last season. The quoted gate and the actual gate was way beyond compare. 12,000 stadium would encourage pass holders to renew, meaning a “sell out” every game, and you can’t do anything better than that.

the problem with that argument is there is no room for growth and there would be times when the club would miss out on 2/3000 people willing to pay at the gate for some matches.
The key to all this is produce a winning entertaining team and the club sustaining and building on the success.We will then in my opinion have average gates of 15/18000.
The MKM is still one of the best in S/L but its ageing so being a tenant has its advantages.
The problem is the SMC and whilst its owned by the football club we will always be seen as a the lttle partner.

Pearson isn't paying for it, thicko, go back and read the article again, if indeed you actually read it in the first place.

But maybe the club could make more money as the costs would be lower, as having 80 to 100% capacity v's 40 to 50% would be better, build a good club house (like a modern day Willows club) and we earn the money from food and drink.

Add in atmosphere, if it was better, I'm sure we would win more games, pressure on away teams and referees etc.

I'd prefer a 15k stadium no doubt, but if its the choice of our own 12k stadium or sharing the MKM with a 25k or greater capacity I'd take 12k anyday.

Think BDC is starting to panic already

Wondered which one would be on here first trying to play down the whole thing?

They clearly haven’t read any of the article and just spout what they hope and pray is true

A good point Dave re overheads/cost but still think anything less than 15K is a waste purely on the fact that the club could very realistically achieve an average gate of not far off 12K within the next couple of years if the performances and brand of rugby are much improved as hoped. As I put in a previous post the fact the club are now over the 7500 mark after what has been affectively a real poop show is evidence the fans will come back and grow with a better product. I'd say its also quite conceivable that the clubs average attendances could be in that region before there is any green light to start any possible redevelopment.
I just fail to see the real benefit of another stadium of 12K as for me it would be too big for reserve/youth/community use and too small for a permanent home for Hull as the club couldn't grow its fan base further which it has real potential to do.

As for the MKM the stadium for me needs using more as it really has been underused and neglected during the Allams reign. For me staying at the MKM has to be the No.1 option but looking at options to improve income streams to the stadium to offset/reduce costs for all 3 parties being us, City and the Council.

Its still all pie in the sky and alot of hurdles to be overcome before any ground is broken but a lot of possibles and positive dialogues between both clubs and the Council which is a welcome change.
Another flip side is also the impact of the IMG involvement in terms of the sport of RL, as its fair to say that could/would have a significant impact on AP's plans depending on the success or failure to deliver for the sport