FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Hull FC > Contract Talks & FCs Future
1469 posts in 99 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Kosh , Roland_R , Karen
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7351No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
19461_1425327910.gif
2016 The Year of the Airlie Bird -on sale NOW, price ÂŁ15, BUY THE BOOK RE-LIVE THE DREAM!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_19461.gif



I'm trying not to be 'sanctimonious' here, but please stop arguing about the morale high ground for there isn't any in the situation we all find ourselves in at present. For me, Points scoring is pointless for every team is in crisis. One owner has more money than another, one club is more likely to survive that another; it may not matter a jot if we have no game left at the end of all this. Can anyone see the majority of clubs surviving until 2021 without any income coming in from gates etc because I don't think I can. It's like those idiots still trying to score political points in the Sunday papers out of what is the biggest health crisis this country has faced in a century, when at present its all really just about coming together and saving lives.

In Life and indeed sport it's time for everyone to stand together, to stay safe and to safeguard those we love and to cherish the things that mean the most to us. We should be applauding the NHS, we should be applauding everyone who is staying at home and everyone who is volunteering. Plus in our small corner of the sporting world if we have any clapping left, we should be applauding all the staff and players at the Rugby League Club that is so dear to all of us for the way that they have reacted to the situation they find themselves in as well. Because, for the time being at least, they have probably given us the best chance there is of Hull FC surviving.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach29774No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: The Dentist Wilf "I'm trying not to be 'sanctimonious' here, but please stop arguing about the morale hit ground for there isn't any in the situation we all find ourselves in at present. For me, Points scoring is pointless for every team is in crisis. One owner has more money than another, one club is more likely to survive that another; it may not matter a jot if we have no game left at the end of all this. Can anyone see the majority of clubs surviving until 2021 without any income coming in from gates etc because I don't think I can. It's like those idiots still trying to score political points in the Sunday papers out of what is the biggest health crisis this country has faced in a century, when at present its all really just about coming together and saving lives.

In Life and indeed sport it's time for everyone to stand together, to stay safe and to safeguard those we love and to cherish the things that mean the most to us. We should be applauding the NHS, we should be applauding everyone who is staying at home and everyone who is volunteering. Plus in our small corner of the sporting world if we have any clapping left, we should be applauding all the staff and players at the Rugby League Club that is so dear to all of us for the way that they have reacted to the situation they find themselves in as well. For, for the time being at least, they have probably given us the best chance there is Hull FC surviving.'"


Completely agree. I think the club are doing a great job by the way in terms of keeping good content coming, classic match replays on Facebook etc. Anything we can be doing to buy merchandise etc should be done, and I do think we could put in place something like a financial support scheme to contribute e.g. putting in what we would have spent on awaydays, match tickets etc into a fund to help the club. I really hope they are looking seriously at this. Things are really grim, but one thing we do have is a big fanbase that can help - we need a practical mechanism to do so IMO.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member3524No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2023Apr 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
3444.gif
HULL FC CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2005 GRAND FINALISTS 2006 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2008 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2013 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2016 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2017 HKR THE PRIDE OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP:3444.gif



Quote: Mrs Barista "They may have reneged but the point being he has this sort of free cash kicking around anyway to easily repurpose to cover wage costs etc, making them much better placed to weather the storm/avoid furloughing and wage cuts etc.'"


Avoid furloughing ? They have furloughed all players and staff.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12637
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
33809_1522680904.png
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png

Moderator


From a Rovers perspective, while it is clearly good that we have a benefactor, the problem is that we are reliant on him to an unhealthy degree - and that is just to limp along at the bottom end of SL in recent times. On top of that, we’re effectively subsidized by another of his businesses that, like nearly all businesses, is probably taking a hit and will require even more of his attention than normal.

It’s impossible to predict what will happen, but I wouldn’t rule out some currently full-time clubs going semi-pro. And if (still a big IF) it comes to trying to save clubs that are struggling the worst in their current incarnation and risking it failing, and gambling on starting over... well, it’d be a difficult and unpleasant benefit-risk assessment.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member3524No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2023Apr 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
3444.gif
HULL FC CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2005 GRAND FINALISTS 2006 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2008 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2013 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2016 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2017 HKR THE PRIDE OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP:3444.gif



Quote: Mild Rover "From a Rovers perspective, while it is clearly good that we have a benefactor, the problem is that we are reliant on him to an unhealthy degree - and that is just to limp along at the bottom end of SL in recent times. On top of that, we’re effectively subsidized by another of his businesses that, like nearly all businesses, is probably taking a hit and will require even more of his attention than normal.

It’s impossible to predict what will happen, but I wouldn’t rule out some currently full-time clubs going semi-pro. And if (still a big IF) it comes to trying to save clubs that are struggling the worst in their current incarnation and risking it failing, and gambling on starting over... well, it’d be a difficult and unpleasant benefit-risk assessment.'"


Hard times ahead for both Clubs .
RL is not a rich sport . As you say maybe Clubs will need to go semi pro ?
Or even merge ?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach29774No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Mild Rover "It’s impossible to predict what will happen, but I wouldn’t rule out some currently full-time clubs going semi-pro. And if (still a big IF) it comes to trying to save clubs that are struggling the worst in their current incarnation and risking it failing, and gambling on starting over... well, it’d be a difficult and unpleasant benefit-risk assessment.'"

Been thinking about the semi pro point too. The post Covid scenarios are so diverse and obviously depend on how long lockdown lasts, in what form, and how our fanbase (RL) is impacted financially. I had thought also of clubs (well Hull FC) having to fold then starting again in Champ 1. Presumably our tenancy at the KCOM would be null and void. Would we play at Costello for example? The reality is that both Hull clubs will have a fanbase that sticks by them in the medium term but in what guise, new entity or old, is anyone's guess.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member4754
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2418.jpg
:2418.jpg



The game in general is struggling to survive, not just one club. Like I said earlier all professional sport other than the premier league is in a fight for its life.
Salary caps for lower league football could be coming in on the back of this.
The sporting landscape will be dramatically altered after this.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12637
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
33809_1522680904.png
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png

Moderator


Quote: HFC Boy "Hard times ahead for both Clubs .
RL is not a rich sport . As you say maybe Clubs will need to go semi pro ?
Or even merge ?'"


Aye, there’s a very wide range of possibilities right now.

Quote: HFC Boy "Been thinking about the semi pro point too. The post Covid scenarios are so diverse and obviously depend on how long lockdown lasts, in what form, and how our fanbase (RL) is impacted financially. I had thought also of clubs (well Hull FC) having to fold then starting again in Champ 1. Presumably our tenancy at the KCOM would be null and void. Would we play at Costello for example? The reality is that both Hull clubs will have a fanbase that sticks by them in the medium term but in what guise, new entity or old, is anyone's guess.'"


Thoughts along broadly similar lines have occurred to me from a Rovers perspective. Obviously, we’re looking at a worst case scenario and hopefully better outcomes are more likely. However, if Rovers and/or Hull were unable to continue as going concerns it is plausible that several other SL teams would suffer the same fate. If, for example, Oldham, Batley and Whitehaven are able to keep going thanks to a much lower cost base should they get priority in the restructure ahead of Phoenix clubs claiming more potential? There’s a sporting argument and a business argument, but the big question is who would fill the power vacuum?

Hudgell’s take on it: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak
Quote: HFC Boy "Hard times ahead for both Clubs .
RL is not a rich sport . As you say maybe Clubs will need to go semi pro ?
Or even merge ?'"


Aye, there’s a very wide range of possibilities right now.

Quote: HFC Boy "Been thinking about the semi pro point too. The post Covid scenarios are so diverse and obviously depend on how long lockdown lasts, in what form, and how our fanbase (RL) is impacted financially. I had thought also of clubs (well Hull FC) having to fold then starting again in Champ 1. Presumably our tenancy at the KCOM would be null and void. Would we play at Costello for example? The reality is that both Hull clubs will have a fanbase that sticks by them in the medium term but in what guise, new entity or old, is anyone's guess.'"


Thoughts along broadly similar lines have occurred to me from a Rovers perspective. Obviously, we’re looking at a worst case scenario and hopefully better outcomes are more likely. However, if Rovers and/or Hull were unable to continue as going concerns it is plausible that several other SL teams would suffer the same fate. If, for example, Oldham, Batley and Whitehaven are able to keep going thanks to a much lower cost base should they get priority in the restructure ahead of Phoenix clubs claiming more potential? There’s a sporting argument and a business argument, but the big question is who would fill the power vacuum?

Hudgell’s take on it: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak


RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7351No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
19461_1425327910.gif
2016 The Year of the Airlie Bird -on sale NOW, price ÂŁ15, BUY THE BOOK RE-LIVE THE DREAM!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_19461.gif



From that article it would appears he's not putting any more money in until we know what's happening with this seasons outcomes. Which looking at the state of the game going forward is very sensible.

[iHudgell also wants assurances over whether promotion and relegation will continue this year before he invests any more money into Hull KR, which he has backed to the tune of millions of pounds since he assumed control of the Super League club in 2005.

“I want to know what’s happening in that regard. If we end up with a skewed fixture list and compromising integrity, you can be sure I’m not putting in six months’ graft if I run the risk of relegation at the end of it. I want those assurances by the time we look to get playing again. Until then, I’m not committing any more money to the sport

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member3524No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2023Apr 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
3444.gif
HULL FC CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2005 GRAND FINALISTS 2006 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2008 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2013 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2016 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2017 HKR THE PRIDE OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP:3444.gif



Quote: Mrs Barista "The same multimillionaire that's about to pay 7 figures for Craven Park? Fair to assume they will be readly buffered against the impact of the virus.'"


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak

Seems times hard at Rovers too .
Quote: Mrs Barista "The same multimillionaire that's about to pay 7 figures for Craven Park? Fair to assume they will be readly buffered against the impact of the virus.'"


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak

Seems times hard at Rovers too .


ccs
RankPostsTeam
International Star5318
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2022Aug 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?:



Quote: HFC Boy "httpsSeems times hard at Rovers too .'"


Nobody's saying that they aren't.

But he does say that he wants assurances over whether promotion and relegation will continue this year before he invests any more money into Hull KR, which suggests that money is available, more than can be said for a lot of clubs, I'd imagine.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach29774No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: ccs "Nobody's saying that they aren't.

But he does say that he wants assurances over whether promotion and relegation will continue this year before he invests any more money into Hull KR, which suggests that money is available, more than can be said for a lot of clubs, I'd imagine.'"


Indeed, that's the key difference.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach29774No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Does anyone know whether clubs, and particularly ours, are looking at some sort of crowd funding to support their existence?

I would have thought you could have a virtual matchday where you could "buy" items you would normally be spending money on, e.g ÂŁ25 away game ticket, ÂŁ8 coach travel, ÂŁ4 pie etc. Might be an option for those that can spare the cash?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5885
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
16835_1358246040.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16835.jpg



Quote: Mrs Barista "Does anyone know whether clubs, and particularly ours, are looking at some sort of crowd funding to support their existence?

I would have thought you could have a virtual matchday where you could "buy" items you would normally be spending money on, e.g ÂŁ25 away game ticket, ÂŁ8 coach travel, ÂŁ4 pie etc. Might be an option for those that can spare the cash?'"

All very quiet from the fans side which is a bit strange - Wheres Wolfie and his ilk?

We need to start doing something as fans and not just let it unfold into armageddon in front of our eyes

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member3524No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2023Apr 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
3444.gif
HULL FC CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2005 GRAND FINALISTS 2006 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2008 CHALLENGE CUP FINALISTS 2013 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2016 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2017 HKR THE PRIDE OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP:3444.gif



Quote: Sebasteeno "All very quiet from the fans side which is a bit strange - Wheres Wolfie and his ilk?

We need to start doing something as fans and not just let it unfold into armageddon in front of our eyes'"


A poster on Facebook suggested this and was ridiculed . He took it down.
As fans we may need to step up ? You are right ,we can’t stand idly by.
I know times are hard at the moment for people . But some form of fund raising needs looking at . It could help the Club through the next few months?

1469 posts in 99 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Kosh , Roland_R , Karen
1469 posts in 99 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Kosh , Roland_R , Karen



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.04248046875:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
1m
Shopping list for 2025
mwindass
5299
15m
Squad 2024
Brew
734
17m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Irregular Ho
3301
17m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
tigertot
10065
18m
Former players
Jemmo
1309
18m
Leigh it is
Cruncher
51
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2397
Recent
Film game
Boss Hog
4025
Recent
Proposed rule changes 2025
finglas
5
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62558
40s
Leigh it is
Cruncher
51
42s
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
56s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
tigertot
10065
58s
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40168
2m
SL CHAT THREAD OTHER TEAMS GAMES
Neruda
151
2m
Proposed rule changes 2025
finglas
5
2m
Ground Improvements
imwakefieldt
93
2m
Squad 2024
Brew
734
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
Or thane
13
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
finglas
5
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
WalterWizard
7
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
Cruncher
51
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Break Saints Hearts With Golden Point Win
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
617
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
654
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1113
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1361
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1114
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1527
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1240
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1474
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1614
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1885
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1580
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1654
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1839
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1660
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2099