FORUMS > Hull FC > Salary cap management |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 4792 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Mrs Barista "Sounds about right. The issues with the squad IMO are levels of injury this season and lack of penetration in the forwards, Taylor apart, which won't be resolved fully by injured players returning. I did like having Litten and Houghton on together tonight, that brought a different dimension. But we need to replace Watts and Ellis somehow.'"
For all he was the panto villain tonight, Watts showed what we’re missing.
I wish he was still in the black and white.
Ellis is irreplaceable unfortunately. After watching FC since 78, I’ve come to the conclusion he’s the best player and leader I’ve seen in an FC shirt.
I’m still mourning him not being out there!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 30349 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Mrs Barista "Of course. But here's a question for you. You imply the club's not doing the right thing in terms of cap distribution. Scenarios are presented that are both reasonable and aligned to information we have that challenge this. Your only response is to resort to personal insults. Why not present a reasoned response?'"
I'm not implying anything. I merely restated what pearson had said (and radford talked about again last night on blunderside) to get people's views and some idea if that was likely to be normal then, as usual, you come out with some ramble that you believe to be correct then go to the nth degree defending it and throwing around comments in your own insulting way. You and bumpy share many traits
FWIW radford said last night not all clubs operate the same salary cap model
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 1324 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2015 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| It's not as clear cut as what is lead to believe there are many exceptions within the salary cap you will probably find that the actual money spent on wages is over the the salary cap. There are stipulations about how much of a homegrown players wages count towards the cap you may be paying a young lad 40k but say only 25 of that counts against the cap.
I think that 83% is a tad high for 17 players but don't know what the rest of clubs are spending but it doesn't leave a lot to have good quality replacements.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 3697 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I said many many times on this forum we should have never re signed Kelly.
I said his concussion would be the end of him as it was so bad and it wasn't his first concussion.
For his future health, he needs to retire NOW. ala Heffernan
Connor was and always will be the half back we need.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2318 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Think there is a rule if a player misses so many games through an injury that the club or player can claim insurance and write the players contract off. Bradford did this with a player called Tupou years ago.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 25776 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Personally I like to keep Kelly, still one of the best players in the league when fit and motivated, needs a pack to play behind.
Connor at FB, would give us a great attacking threat
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 29797 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "It's not as clear cut as what is lead to believe there are many exceptions within the salary cap you will probably find that the actual money spent on wages is over the the salary cap. There are stipulations about how much of a homegrown players wages count towards the cap you may be paying a young lad 40k but say only 25 of that counts against the cap.
I think that 83% is a tad high for 17 players but don't know what the rest of clubs are spending but it doesn't leave a lot to have good quality replacements.'"
Well we sort of know that the first 17 share about £1.5m so our first choice side averages £88k with the others, presumably Fash and Co on an average of £38k. As you say there will be nuances like homegrown players dispensation but I thought this only.applied to one player (albeit that was ages ago so quite possibly the rules have changed). There's then the marquee rule and that one about protecting international standard players or some such.
I guess the challenge is whether we spend more on the bottom end, maybe on more experienced depth, and offer less to, or offload, top end players like Taylor, Connor etc, or have more balance in the middle. The challenge for everyone at the moment is a difficult market so value for money is hard to come by.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 409 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2014 | 10 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2022 | Apr 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Jake the Peg "I'm not implying anything. I merely restated what pearson had said (and radford talked about again last night on blunderside) to get people's views and some idea if that was likely to be normal then, as usual, you come out with some ramble that you believe to be correct then go to the nth degree defending it and throwing around comments in your own insulting way. You and bumpy share many traits
FWIW radford said last night not all clubs operate the same salary cap model'"
But he also said that some of the bigger clubs also do.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 5318 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2022 | Aug 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Mike1970 "But he also said that some of the bigger clubs also do.'"
…. and why Leeds and Warrington dropped into the middle 8's after a season of injuries.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 29797 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: ccs "…. and why Leeds and Warrington dropped into the middle 8's after a season of injuries.'"
Interesting point that.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1420 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Mrs Barista "Interesting point that.'"
No it isn't.
And such a boring hypothesized thread.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 29797 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Bombed Out "No it isn't.
And such a boring hypothesized thread.'"
Your contribution certainly adds that extra sparkle. Congrats.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1420 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Mrs Barista "Your contribution certainly adds that extra sparkle. Congrats.'"
Better than BS and hypothesized figures that some seem to hang there hats on as believable.
Then lo and behold an utter fantasy thread transcends fuelled by instant experts.
Congrats.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 29797 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Bombed Out "Better than BS and hypothesized figures that some seem to hang there hats on as believable.
Then lo and behold an utter fantasy thread transcends fuelled by instant experts.
Congrats.'"
Goodness me. A contradiction in terms that a thread you just deemed so boring can agitate you so. Perhaps the club can publish a register of player salaries to fully address the initial question about appropriateness of distribution without the need to apply some basic common sense assumptions.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 30349 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Mrs Barista "Goodness me. A contradiction in terms that a thread you just deemed so boring can agitate you so. Perhaps the club can publish a register of player salaries to fully address the initial question about appropriateness of distribution without the need to apply some basic common sense assumptions.'"
How would knowing individual salaries answer the original question? We know that the best 17 earn 83% of our salary cap so knowing each players' salary would make no difference
|
|
|
|
|
|