Defence isn't good enough. 30 odd missed tackles last night and points against by far the worst of the top 6. We compress our defence so team can run around us and still we're missing tackles in the middle.

Far too reliant on tries from kicks or pieces of individual brilliance.Other than an early loss by wire to hudds, I don't think any of the current top 6 have lost a game to the current bottom 5 other than us who have lost 2.

We're very much a mid table team and we'll finish 6th at best and anyone who thinks we can go back to wembley and win is deluded. Simply not good enough. Last year we were patchy but the quality in the side was there but much of it has gone for me and a couple iof players less effective than they were

I agree with Jake, I think this year will be consolidation, too much quality gone and not replaced. Big recruitment/retention for next season required. With the standard of the league and Barba likely gone, if we could keep Kelly and add in two quality forwards to replace Watts and Ellis, get Westy fit and we won't be far off.

Got to cut out the basic errors that we commit every week

In our last six games with Child as referee we've had five yellow cards and one red.

Don’t start nicking our favourite scapegoat! In the last 39 games with him in charge, we’ve won 5!(wakefield)

Agree with a lot of this , replacements brought in haven’t reached the level of player their replacing and seems without Ellis complacency has crept back in

He's hopeless. I'm not blaming him for the defeat, that was our own fault.

Another game that lasted two hours.

Probably there was this type of thread last year, particularly as Catalans did the double over us and Leigh beat us at home, yet we still won the cup and nearly made the GF.

Saturday's game is massive.

Agree with every post apart from Motongo one who I think tries his heart out and at least runs hard at the line, will get better and better that kid.

We are bang average this season our attacking play is ponderous at best.

We do still have time to turn it around but I cannot see it at the moment.

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We will get thumped next game.

I think its different this year, the way we have won hasnt being brilliant.

The second half showing against Huddersfield is the only time we have blown anybody away and everyone is doing that to them it seems.

For me this isnt a reaction to a loss more an assessment of the first half of the season. You cant claim we are waiting to peak either because the basics seem way off as does the attitude. James Child had to tell the players to pack down in a scrum, the mid range kick off, throwing a long ball to a prop forward in your own 20 with a minute to go and the last tackle penalties. That isnt a lack of quality or effort its attitude and dumb.

I feel for Taylor and a few others. Deserve much better, this isnt a Radford out campaign I respect him and feel he knows what hes doing. However he is still learning and for me has got it wrong this season.

Ill say it - Radford has took us as far as he can

League form was poor last season but has got worse this season. I think he has an arrogance that he shouldnt have, like hes some super coach when in fact i think hes good but is not in the top percent of the best coaches in the game. He got lucky having Ellis to drive the team around, now that piece of the mix isnt there were hopeless and he hasnt got a clue how to sort it out. I think he thinks he doesnt need help. I saw Cas's coaching team on TV on fri night - Powell backed up with Orr and Sherridan - they even the Fax coach in the box listening in, Wakey had Chester with Monoghan - weve got Radford and Last - we need more quality and experience in the coaching team

Looks like it works for Cas with all their success.

Also got to mention Wakey's great season where they have lost 7/8 games.

To even suggest getting of Radford is madness, last two seasons have been the in 30 years, even this season we are still in the mix without playing well. SL is so tight these days, an off ft and you get beat.

Not suggesting we get rid but that he gets help as he cannot take us any further as is

Fair enough, possible option particularly with Horne less involved these days

Beat Cas next week and then magic after the cup. We have rovers and saints have widnes but Leeds V Cas and Wigan V Warrington so someone has to drop points. Still in our hands.

I agree and disagree at the same time.

Any extra coaches with new ideas will be welcomed and I cant see doing any harm. I dont think Radford has taken us as far as he can, he knows how to win SL and big games. I just think he thought the squad would cope better with the players we lost and could play to the style he wants. They cant but in Radford our recruitment has being sensational IMO so I would suggest work is already underway to rectify for next season.

This season is vexed IMO.