It's not an excuse for the performance but for over half the match on Friday we had missing:

Both our first choice centres
Our first choice stand off
Our only hooker
2 of our 4 first choice props
Our captain and talisman

Add in losing our first choice scrum half and first choice full back for 10 minutes each and there's no surprise we lose but, as I say, the manner of defeat was unacceptable

I don't like back loaded contracts. It's robbing peter to pay paul and just stores up problems for later. I have to say I'm surprised we're doing it after one of the main criticisms of the previous coach was the lack of VFM on the salary cap and although we now have a good first 17, if that's using all of our cap then you're asking for trouble when your squad lacks any real depth of experience.

We just have to hope that the injury situation doesn't get any worse and we can get 3 or 4 back for leeds and keep the squad relatively fit over the next few weeks or we'll be scratting around at the bottom of the top 8 and the season will be over in July

Take the stand off, hooker and loose man out of any team and they will struggle. People are going on about our squad depth being under strength. Wigan with arguably the best youth set up have lost their last three matches playing three or four youngsters. We have lost two matches abd sit fourth. I am happy with how we are going. We are not playing particularly well and sit fourth. I'll take that any day

So Gentle never played Lineham, Crooks, Bowden, Green, Hadley, Shaul, Thompson, okay whatever, Genetle had to utilise what we had, he played youngsters all over the park through necessity, we got to the play-offs and a CC final with two shocking injury strewn seasons with a new coach or did you forget just how many players that came through under Gentle?

Gentle had only the beginnings of the new academy system, Radford has now had what 5/6 years worth of Pearson investment in the academy and yet no players have come through since he took taken charge, that's a fact and due to his lack of bringing players through and the academy not producing players good enough (the list of players leaving is growing ever longer due to being discarded by Radford).

I'm not saying the loss is the be all and end all for this season, I've not over=reacted but what Kirk Dixon said on RH is spot on, many on here can see the wide gap between our youngsters and the first XVII selections otherwise those very posters wouldn't be stating that we lost X,Y,Z, we didn't lose them, we still had 17 players, we just didn't have players with enough quality/experience on show. Compare to how well Cas and Wigan have done of late with masses of injuries our showings have being well below that.

Will those youngsters get better, hopefully, will they become part of the XVII on a regular basis, who knows but so far Radford hasn't brought anyone through in over 3 years to do so, unlike the coach before him.

Is this a crisis, no, we've lost 2 and drawn one, however if we cannot change what we are doing on the field to cover for injured/missing players and behind the scenes to change the mentality of the players and improve on the discipline and error strewn rugby we have witnessed so far this season then it's not ideal is it?

One season success that is bought at the cost of success further down the line is very bittersweet, I just hope that isn't the case.

Maybe not even that good. Rovers unofficial forum discussing sending us down in the MPG. TBH if that's the price for Wembley last year I'd still take it.

Indeed, he led us to a CC victory at Wembley, its always his fault when we lose, but scant praise when we win. SL is wide open, lets all cast judgement in a couple of months.

You can tell you've not watched Salford at all this season. I said in the pre season friendly that they were finally playing like a team and not 17 individuals, and their ability to keep the ball alive is fantastic. They are the only team to have taken points off Castleford so I have to ask, what is so average about them??

Thank you Karen for pointing that out.
I think you had two issues on Friday. Firstly you had a number of key players out which would affect any team. Secondly your players underestimated how well Salford are playing as a team. I think Friday was a blip and you'll be there at the end of the season competing with the best.

You're welcome. I was lucky enough to be in the press conference after the friendly and I left very impressed with Ian Watson. You have an excellent young coach there and I can see you going from strength to strength under him.

I think Wigan have lost games of late as a result of their injuries, despite playing ok. and I think Cas are actually benefiting this year from having to do it tough last year with their horrendous run of injuries. They can all now come in and do a good job.

Throwing in players who are not first choice, to replace key players, will not usually bring an 'A +' performance. And we saw that magnified on Friday.
But every game for our fringe players adds something to their game. They will come through, and be good for the team, but they simply have to be given time to learn their craft. Experience can't be bought.

There are very few 'young uns' who become first choice on the team sheet. The likes of Shaun Edwards, Garry Schofield and Lee Crooks etc are few and far between these days.
We just have to be patient when we have injuries to key players.

The scoreline hurts I agree, but as Jake said, the sin binnings were also crucial, and didn't help.

I went to the pre- season friendly game at Salford and in all honesty we were never in that game either. Credit where it is due, this is a side on the up and i think too many of our fans just roll up expecting us to beat these type of teams. The bookies were guilty of it as well, had us giving them 8 points on the handicap. I honestly believe they will be a top 4 side this season.

The Hadley situation is a strange one but anyone believing that the likes of Hadley would have had an impact on this game are on cloud cuckoo land. Even with a fiull strength pack, I don't think we would have won, it may well have been extremely tight. We have to face the facts that their 3/4s were way to powerful and skilful for our backline and if we keep coughing up ball and penalties they would have hurt us badly regardless of whether Ellis and Taylor had been there.

I stuck up for Radders 2 years ago and wont turn on him now but I do sense a worrying trend in his ability to develop our backs and give young 3/4s a chance compared to the forwards at our club. When the England Aademy side played the Australian Schoolboys at Leigh in 2014, Abdul and Lancaster played staring roles (Logan possibly was involved in that series) but they are both gone now. Also playing in that side where the likes of Golding at Leeds, Gildart at Wigan who are now absolute stars and the likes of Toby King at Warrington who now looks ready to break big time too.

Why is it our players haven't developed? I worry about the skill levels of our 3/4 play in general and coaching of our younger backs.

I think you make some really good points Lummy re our 3/4 development. Lets hope it is something that Radders is working on.

It's noteworthy also, that although Martin Gleeson (who is now on the Salford coaching staff) courted controversy in his later playing days, he was a class 3/4 in his pomp. Ian Watson says Gleeson is a totally changed person and an important part of the coaching team there. The Salford 3/4s certainly moved the ball through hands with real zip and looked very dangerous. Wonder if its the influence of a Test centre ? Their winger Johnstone looks to be a real find too, what a player he is going to be.

But we also have a Test centre too in our coaching ranks, albeit in his first season in the role. Maybe having a Test 3/4 involved in the coaching of a 3/4 line is the difference ? Well its working for Salford.