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Perhaps you could explain how. Feel free to use the words Briscoe, Crooks, Lineham and Shaul in your answer.

Briscoe wanted to go home crookes was a good prospect but done nowt since,lineham agree with shaul hasn't gone anywhere

My point is only that if you are "building for the future" then you should be retaining and developing your promising youngsters. If that isn't the case then we should be poaching other clubs' promising youngsters. If we do neither, how are we building for the future?

OK...

1. How do you retain someone who wants away and is going OOC (Briscoe)?
2. Crookes was given plenty of chances and failed to take them. Then he also wanted away.
3. Lineham I'll give you. We should have tried harder to keep him and AP admitted as much last night.
4. Shaul is going nowhere and AP stated last night that he's still seen as a key player going forward.

On top of that we have Abdull and Logan playing in SL, with Dean and HTW going full time next season.

We [iare[/i retaining and developing [imost[/i of our promising youngsters. In fact the only one we've done badly with IMO is Lineham.

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For me the most annoying thing about Hull fans is the massive over analysis and scrutiny of players, it's almost obsessive and has been for years.

Take Lineham and Shaul for example the two being most discussed at the moment, both have been and can be match winners, both far from complete players but both when all's said and done both contribute positively, yet some fans seem to want to focus more on a few defensive reads or missed tackles, maybe because they think this makes them seem more knowledgable of the game I don't know, it's a similar mentality to that when a player comes over with a big reputation, some people can't wait to pick holes because they think they are going against the grain and seeing things that others don't see, strange mentality.

It's maybe just an outlook on life, but as a fan when I think of Shaul this season the first things that pop up are the Saints away try and other individual try's, and some the try's scored on the back of a clean break by him, likewise with Lineham his hatricks and running the full length of the field, maybe the first thing that pops into other peoples minds is a missed tackle at Widnes away or whatever. Hard to understand I just prefer to enjoy watching talented players.

Very honest post Jimmy. Can't disagree with any of it.

I agree but think there's a negative bias towards players who don't see the club matching their ambition and as a consequence want to move on. They get the abuse instead of the fans questioning WHY they want to leave.

So you think that forming a well-rounded opinion of a player that includes his strengths AND weaknesses is an 'odd mentality'?

How strange.

To be honest I think we're very much like the team, bog average. Where I do think we fall behind other teams especially Saints and Leeds is the lack of songs for any player. Away games are brilliant but even then its the first verse of Old Faithful, go get your fathers gun and we love you FC we do at the end (if we've won). The Derby showed what we can be like, Songs for Michaels, Lineham and Rankin and loads against Walker and rovers. Then ya come to home games and lets be honest if we're not playing Leeds or rovers the place is a morgue. If rumours are correct and the SMC are closing the South and North next season then at least we'll be closer together which might help but look crap on tele. As for The boulevard I loved the place but the atmosphere went downhill from closing off the top few rows of threepenny and when they built new stand it was a shadow of its former self.

I pretty much agree with all of that. Particularly about the coach and coaching.For the first time in 25 years of watching Hull I leaft early for a few games last year and have done the same this season, Thursday night included. It wasn't to make a statement or because I don't love my club. It was because I didn't want to watch it any more. It's personal choice and other people's opinions about what sort of fan that makes me doesn't concern me.

I believe that results like last night not only expose the skills gap between Hull and the top three or four sides but also the attitude. Last week's win against Rovers should have been just another two points in the bag. Instead, it was an event. As was 'making the eight'. Does anyone think Wigan or their fans have given a single thought to 'making the eight'? Where is our ambition? The result and it's implications were too big for the players to back up. On a bigger scale you could compare the 49-6 drubbing by Bradford after winning the Cup in 2005. That's how far we've fallen in my opinion.

If you combine Adam Pearson's well publicised ambitions and positive if rhetorical spin on the club with the underachievement of the last decade it's easy to understand the fans' frustrations. I think we are far from being the worst fans by some way.

We bend over and take a near 50 point bumming at home and you expect everyone to stay to the end and cheer the team off the field? Are you for real?